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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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 Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 9:54 am
I'm really sorry- I didn't mean to offend anybody redface sweatdrop sad redface
I was not telling you to shut up or anything like that, nor did I even mean to suggest anything even close to the fact that you are unintelligent in any way at all. I'm sorry; it appears that I was completely wrong-I just thought the attitudes of the posts were getting a bit harsh and cold, and like Nathan, I react strongly to negative emotions. I'm also sorry-I did NOT mean you were an idiot, or to insult you in anyway at all. I'm really sorry if you took it that way; I really didn't mean anything like that. sweatdrop sad
I hope things get better for you, and feel better as well. And again- I apologize. I did not mean to offend you or anybody else in any way sweatdrop redface sad redface sweatdrop Truly, I'm sorry sad sweatdrop redface
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 10:09 am
RoseRose And, Zonko, I apologize if I took it out of context... or wrongly, but as I explained... I've been doing that a lot lately. i understand Quote: So I'm a f-ing idiot. So... nothing new. no, you aren't. well, no more than the rest of us. Quote: (I don't agree with everything you say in this post, but I'm coming down with something [as well as having cried both yesterday and today due to horribly bad days and s**t], and I'm probably going to be gone over the weekend, and I didn't want to leave it that long without a response. I'll come back to it later, if I remember... [i forget things like this a lot] with a better response) do you ever agree? whee but feel better.
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 11:57 am
darkphoenix1247 I'm really sorry- I didn't mean to offend anybody redface sweatdrop sad redface I was not telling you to shut up or anything like that, nor did I even mean to suggest anything even close to the fact that you are unintelligent in any way at all. I'm sorry; it appears that I was completely wrong-I just thought the attitudes of the posts were getting a bit harsh and cold, and like Nathan, I react strongly to negative emotions. I'm also sorry-I did NOT mean you were an idiot, or to insult you in anyway at all. I'm really sorry if you took it that way; I really didn't mean anything like that. sweatdrop sad I hope things get better for you, and feel better as well. And again- I apologize. I did not mean to offend you or anybody else in any way sweatdrop redface sad redface sweatdrop Truly, I'm sorry sad sweatdrop redface It's okay... like I said, when I'm in a bad mood, I take everything the worst way possible. I'm doing a bit better, but a cold is still imparing my thinking, so... no intellectual debate out of me for a bit. I'm sorry for my response... I overreacted. I'm just... tired and emotionally exhausted... or at least I was. I was taking EVERYTHING wrong the past couple days, and I'm sorry you guys got caught in it. And Zonko, I do agree sometimes. Like... with the sheer lack of knowledge exhibited by some Jews I know. *girl where I work, says she's Jewish but doesn't even know what Pesach IS*. Our biggest arguments come up because I'm an egalitarian, in everything. *shrug* I respect your views, but since I have you here to argue with, I do.
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:55 pm
TunaSandwitch I'm not sure if this is part of this topic, but I'll post it anyway.
Last Purim I went to shul. I'm not religious, but I keep kosher, the holidays, and a few more things. Anyway, a religious Jewish girl comes up to me. She looked about eight years old. This is how our coversation went:
Little Girl: Are you Christian?
Me: Uh...No. I'm Jewish.
Little Girl: Well, you don't really look Jewish. Are you sure?
That actually hurt my feelings. I was dressed modestly (tznias). I was wearing a black and purple sweater, black skirt, and boots. My face looks Jewish - I have a small hooked nose, and big sad eyes.
I was upset the entire Purim. I'm a convert. I have blue eyes, pale skin, red hair (well, now it's just red eyebrows, since I cover my hair now), and a tiny little embarrassment of a nose, not a real nose at all. I don't look Jewish, and I hear about that fact every time I go into a synagogue, including my own synagogue which I've attended for five years, and the one I attended before, which I attended for three years. When people say "You don't look Jewish," or at least when adults say it, what they're really trying to ask is whether you're a convert, a prospective convert, or if you're a Christian who's come there to proselytize. But halachah forbids asking if someone is a convert in order not to embarrass them, so they can't just ask straight-up. They have to make a leading statement and then hope that you'll feel you have to explain yourself to them. I don't play that game anymore, though I used to do so, trustingly. Now I just smile and say, "I get that a lot, and I'm never sure how to respond. I guess being Jewish is about something more than what shows up on my face, eh?" Usually that ends the conversation. I'm sorry you had that experience, Tuna, but in a way I'm glad when those who are born Jewish and who do "look Jewish" have the experience, once or twice in their lives, that I have had every time I've walked into a synagogue for the past ten years. Next time someone in here thinks about saying to someone else, "You don't look Jewish," please think again, and keep the statement and the implications to yourself. It hurts, to be singled out as not being really a part of mishpachat Yisrael (the family of Israel). It's like walking into a family reunion and pointing out the kid who is adopted. You may not mean anything by it, but I guarantee you, the adopted kid burns inside.
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Eloquent Conversationalist
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:46 pm
Its Happy Line Woah, first time I ever made a topic on Gaia. anyways, yesterday at school some kid was picking on a friend of mine saying she has a big head. I stood up for her, and told the kid to shut up. The next thing that came out of his mouth stunned me. He looked at me than at my friend, that asked my friend if she is Jewish, before she could answer he said the thing that really pissed me off. He asked, "Do all Jewish kids have big heads?" I was getting ready to knock him out. But instead I told him to shut up, and to stop being a retard. Has this ever happend to you? Your bully sounds really stupid...Don't let that jerk get to yah.. I was never called a "big head" because I was jewish... but I had speficly a hard time in my science class from hell in freshmen year.. In the first week in the class an a*****e asked me "Why do rabbis have those curled sideburns and dress like normans?" I was pissed and anwsered back.."I dunno, why do priests promote nazism and molest choir boys?"(I know my remark was insulting and untrue, but so was his) The a*****e hit me with his science book... another time I defended a girl from a bunch of jerks that were shoving little swastikas (made out of stapels) down her shirt.. The next day they were calling me her body gaurd and stupid s**t like "Jews are defensive huh?" Finally in the spring, I was starting to become friends with this one chick, then one day she was giving this quiet guy a hard time because he was a athiest. She was saying stuff like, "commit to a church of Jesus or you'll going to hell blah blah blah." I defended the guy, saying you didn't need a specific religion to be a good person. She asked if I was jewish and when I said yes, we never spoke to eachother again... So yeah, what can you do eh? This kind of stuff happends to everyone, and it makes us stronger I think..
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:08 pm
Divash TunaSandwitch I'm not sure if this is part of this topic, but I'll post it anyway.
Last Purim I went to shul. I'm not religious, but I keep kosher, the holidays, and a few more things. Anyway, a religious Jewish girl comes up to me. She looked about eight years old. This is how our coversation went:
Little Girl: Are you Christian?
Me: Uh...No. I'm Jewish.
Little Girl: Well, you don't really look Jewish. Are you sure?
That actually hurt my feelings. I was dressed modestly (tznias). I was wearing a black and purple sweater, black skirt, and boots. My face looks Jewish - I have a small hooked nose, and big sad eyes.
I was upset the entire Purim. I'm a convert. I have blue eyes, pale skin, red hair (well, now it's just red eyebrows, since I cover my hair now), and a tiny little embarrassment of a nose, not a real nose at all. I don't look Jewish, and I hear about that fact every time I go into a synagogue, including my own synagogue which I've attended for five years, and the one I attended before, which I attended for three years. When people say "You don't look Jewish," or at least when adults say it, what they're really trying to ask is whether you're a convert, a prospective convert, or if you're a Christian who's come there to proselytize. But halachah forbids asking if someone is a convert in order not to embarrass them, so they can't just ask straight-up. They have to make a leading statement and then hope that you'll feel you have to explain yourself to them. I don't play that game anymore, though I used to do so, trustingly. Now I just smile and say, "I get that a lot, and I'm never sure how to respond. I guess being Jewish is about something more than what shows up on my face, eh?" Usually that ends the conversation. I'm sorry you had that experience, Tuna, but in a way I'm glad when those who are born Jewish and who do "look Jewish" have the experience, once or twice in their lives, that I have had every time I've walked into a synagogue for the past ten years. Next time someone in here thinks about saying to someone else, "You don't look Jewish," please think again, and keep the statement and the implications to yourself. It hurts, to be singled out as not being really a part of mishpachat Yisrael (the family of Israel). It's like walking into a family reunion and pointing out the kid who is adopted. You may not mean anything by it, but I guarantee you, the adopted kid burns inside. You should be proud to be a redhead. It's a very rare, cool hair color... I knew a Blond, blue eyed girl that was jewish (She was a Rabbi's daughter and the vice president of a Yiddish club in my High school)... To me there is no "look" of being jewish, as long as you pratice the religion and act in kindess towards others, your jewish.
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:04 pm
Umm well i'm captain of a tennis team here..
and last year, as we were driving through a really frum part of town, they started spewing out all these antisemetic remarks and jokes.. that kinda made me laugh.. Such things like "Jews evade taxes", "all jews are rich" (when we were driving a particulary crappy part of the town.. if they looked outside the window that rumor would be shot down.) "whats the difference between a jew and a canoe?" "the difference between pizza and a jew?" (that was the worst.)
It went on and on, and I was getting infuriated when they started saying things like "I dont think i could ever be friends with a jew."
Soo I just got up and said "******** you very much guys. Please think of what you're saying, as a jew myself, I'm personally shocked and appaulled that my tennis team has such idiots."
and then like the teams mouths were jaw dropped (they didnt know because I only wear my yarmulka for praying, and jewish related things.) then they were all like sorry sorry we didnt know.. and others started cracking jokes again, "hey where is your horn?" others didnt believe me till i started reading all the hebrew and translating it. few got into a religious discussion with me.
They were really sorry for what they said later when I made them do extra laps and excersizes.
Though they're a tad mad at me for possibly over-working them? Everyone lost 10-40lbs, some of them didnt need to loose the weight either, they were trying to gain. But no one gained, and everyone lost. Both in weight and in games. my team sucks. ;-; (I won majority of my games.. rest of the team didnt, most were beginners.)
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:42 pm
Wow- I'm sorry you had to deal with such idiots. You handled that very well, if it's any consolation? sweatdrop
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:14 pm
Benzino the Great Umm well i'm captain of a tennis team here.. and last year, as we were driving through a really frum part of town, they started spewing out all these antisemetic remarks and jokes.. that kinda made me laugh.. Such things like "Jews evade taxes", "all jews are rich" (when we were driving a particulary crappy part of the town.. if they looked outside the window that rumor would be shot down.) "whats the difference between a jew and a canoe?" "the difference between pizza and a jew?" (that was the worst.) It went on and on, and I was getting infuriated when they started saying things like "I dont think i could ever be friends with a jew." Soo I just got up and said "******** you very much guys. Please think of what you're saying, as a jew myself, I'm personally shocked and appaulled that my tennis team has such idiots." and then like the teams mouths were jaw dropped (they didnt know because I only wear my yarmulka for praying, and jewish related things.) then they were all like sorry sorry we didnt know.. and others started cracking jokes again, "hey where is your horn?" others didnt believe me till i started reading all the hebrew and translating it. few got into a religious discussion with me. They were really sorry for what they said later when I made them do extra laps and excersizes. Though they're a tad mad at me for possibly over-working them? Everyone lost 10-40lbs, some of them didnt need to loose the weight either, they were trying to gain. But no one gained, and everyone lost. Both in weight and in games. my team sucks. ;-; (I won majority of my games.. rest of the team didnt, most were beginners.) nicely handled, sans one detail: i know these guys might be your friends, but something like this deserves no level of tolerance whatsoever. if i were in your position, i would have gotten them all suspended as well. and they deserve so much more than that. they're mad at you? they have no right.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:34 pm
ZonkotheSane they're mad at you? they have no right. You're completely right. If you're going to be stupid, you're going to except your consequences.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:35 pm
kingpinsqeezels ZonkotheSane they're mad at you? they have no right. You're completely right. If you're going to be stupid, you're going to except your consequences. of course. but i don't plan on being stupid
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:43 pm
ZonkotheSane kingpinsqeezels ZonkotheSane they're mad at you? they have no right. You're completely right. If you're going to be stupid, you're going to except your consequences. of course. but i don't plan on being stupid You...stupid?! Never. xd We'll leave that for me.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:16 pm
kingpinsqeezels ZonkotheSane kingpinsqeezels ZonkotheSane they're mad at you? they have no right. You're completely right. If you're going to be stupid, you're going to except your consequences. of course. but i don't plan on being stupid You...stupid?! Never. xd We'll leave that for me. there are different kinds of stupid
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:35 am
ZonkotheSane Benzino the Great Umm well i'm captain of a tennis team here.. and last year, as we were driving through a really frum part of town, they started spewing out all these antisemetic remarks and jokes.. that kinda made me laugh.. Such things like "Jews evade taxes", "all jews are rich" (when we were driving a particulary crappy part of the town.. if they looked outside the window that rumor would be shot down.) "whats the difference between a jew and a canoe?" "the difference between pizza and a jew?" (that was the worst.) It went on and on, and I was getting infuriated when they started saying things like "I dont think i could ever be friends with a jew." Soo I just got up and said "******** you very much guys. Please think of what you're saying, as a jew myself, I'm personally shocked and appaulled that my tennis team has such idiots." and then like the teams mouths were jaw dropped (they didnt know because I only wear my yarmulka for praying, and jewish related things.) then they were all like sorry sorry we didnt know.. and others started cracking jokes again, "hey where is your horn?" others didnt believe me till i started reading all the hebrew and translating it. few got into a religious discussion with me. They were really sorry for what they said later when I made them do extra laps and excersizes. Though they're a tad mad at me for possibly over-working them? Everyone lost 10-40lbs, some of them didnt need to loose the weight either, they were trying to gain. But no one gained, and everyone lost. Both in weight and in games. my team sucks. ;-; (I won majority of my games.. rest of the team didnt, most were beginners.) nicely handled, sans one detail: i know these guys might be your friends, but something like this deserves no level of tolerance whatsoever. if i were in your position, i would have gotten them all suspended as well. and they deserve so much more than that. they're mad at you? they have no right. Eh, it went on and on for two reasons. This was a half an hour trip we were driving, and I'm more of the type that needs to build up anger then blow up. And I was also talking to another friend on the bus, who is accepting of me being jewish and doesnt say stupid things like that. They werent angry for me proving them wrong - That they can actually be friends with a jew, I dont have a horn, I'm not evading taxes, ect. By the end of the season they were mad at me for over-working them. If anything they left the season being more tolerant of jews. And they wouldnt have gotten suspended. My school then isnt organized, nor do they have much control, or if you ever do anything they dont handle it that well.. They only really handled cases of sexual harassment mostly. Fights happened, and punches usually got hit. But they were eventually stopped, and neither people involved would face any consequence.
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:31 pm
ZonkotheSane kingpinsqeezels ZonkotheSane kingpinsqeezels ZonkotheSane they're mad at you? they have no right. You're completely right. If you're going to be stupid, you're going to except your consequences. of course. but i don't plan on being stupid You...stupid?! Never. xd We'll leave that for me. there are different kinds of stupid I'm the blonde kind. xd
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