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 Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:36 pm
but, if Jesus had not have (ever) talked about those, would we still need to follow them? Maybe, but that is not hte point. What I am trying to say is that, the existance of the moral laws in the New Testament is what shows us just what parts of the Old Law is still applicable.
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:40 pm
hot_wheels_turbo_racing Who are you to say what God has told me to say? You're starting to remind me of Cometh. Jee, I feel so loved. rolleyes Quote: Well, I haven't been counting my numbers, but my points have been ignored, and they're not easy to miss. Actually, they seem to be responding to yours. at lest they could agknowledge that I have something to say. /grumble.
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:47 pm
jamesthelittle I don't think they are per say, "bad." I have read them all so far. I am a youth minister. I think that they should not be read by someone who won't understand them especially if not given any explanation that this is "FANTACY" writing. Most people who do read, know that they are not real. Yes, witchcraft is bad. The Bible does state that. But Harry Potter is not recruiting people to become Witches or Warlocks! Harry Potter doesn't exist. Your a youth pastor? So maybe you've heard of the moral compass?? If not Ill tell you. Its a series of questions asked and Ill actually post them here. 1st Is it of the world?- Yes Then dont References: John 17:11 and 14, 1 John 2:15, 1 John 2:16 2nd Does it give glory to God? No? then dont References: 1 Corinthians 10:31 3rd Can God bless this? No? then dont References: Proverbs 10:22 4th is it a stumbling block to others? Yes? Then dont References Romans 14:21 5th Is it evil in any degree? Yes? then dont References: 1 Thessalonians 5:21, 3 John 1:11 6th Is it a weight? Yes? Then dont References: Hebrews 12:1 The points to all of these questions and verses is to avoid ativity's that will in any way slow down your walk with christ. So again I will ask if Galatians 5:19-21 states what evil is (and witchcraft is included in this) and 1st thessalonians 5:22 says abstain from all appearances of evil how can you in turn say that the Harry Potter books are ok? It gives an appearace of witchcraft which the bible condmens as sin. Also as Ive stated before these books could be a stumbling block to others.
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:54 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Holypimp Ok so its an accounting but you still cant throw out all old testament law just because its not mentioned in the new testemant, a lot of our moral law today comes from old testament law. I'd actually argue that Old Testament Law was, in fact, created to be fufilled by the New Testament law. But this is not very on topic. Quote: I understand that but some of the old testament references are valid. No. No moral law in the Old Testament is valid today. All moral laws that Christians must follow are in the New Testament. If no old testament laws were valid then why did christ say in Mathew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:55 pm
*Ahem*
The following post is concerning those who have/are/are even thinking of join/ed/ing this stupid little 'what God says' pissing contest.
SHUT UP.
Now then, if any of your self-righteous little twits would take a moment to get out from under that over-blown ego of yours, you would realise just how bloody stupid you are in saying that you know God better then the other person and that, 'obivously' you know just what the Holy Spirit says to any/everyone.
now, I repeat myself.
SHUT UP.
First off, you do not know squat about the relationship the other person has with God. This means that you are not entitled to comment on what/how God speaks to other people. Secondly, yes, I said 'how'. If anyone has taken a moment to step back and think about the futility of this aforementioned pissing contest. Obviously, at least one of you people (if not both) are wrong. Obviously, that wrong person has failed to truely understand just what God has told them on this matter. Obviously, this thread is just one more way that God is using to show His will to us believers.
So, to you people (a.k.a. just about everyone in this thread) who just went 'hah, he is obviously talking about '. NO. I am talking to YOU. Realise, at least once in your life, that YOU CAN BE WRONG. No one is perfect and no one completely understands the will of God (anyone willing to argue me on this, please do. However, be prepared to lose). This means that there is a 50/50 chance that you are wrong. So, start paying attention, because God is (well, with how degenerate this thread is, was fits better) obviously using this thread to reach to the party that got it wrong.
Lastly, though this ties into the second point, YOU DO NOT GET TO SAY HOW GOD DOES THINGS. so stop it now. You're just making yourself look stupid.
Yes, this post was extremely offensive and very arguementative. However, I believe, that if it gets through to the people in here who have degenerated into 'OMG, Noez!!11 God didnt tel u taht!!11 U R teh stoopid!!111', then my job is done.
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 10:02 pm
Well said cometh.....As for what I have said that may have been considered offensive to anyone in this thread I would like to express my deepest apologies....
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:32 am
Cometh The Inquisitor What I am trying to say is that, the existance of the moral laws in the New Testament is what shows us just what parts of the Old Law is still applicable. Precisely. Of course, people differ on just how much of the Ceremonial Law still applies - I tend to fall into your camp there, with much of the Old Law being null - but the idea that we have to view it through the lens of the New Testament is basically correct, yes.
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:40 am
Holypimp If no old testament laws were valid then why did christ say in Mathew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. me I'd actually argue that Old Testament Law was, in fact, created to be fufilled by the New Testament law. But this is not very on topic. What I mean is that the OT law was created with the intention that most of it would, someday, be taken away. However, as we have noticed, not all of the law has been taken away. What we use to determine what is still applicable is the New Testament. If it is not in the New Testament, then it does not apply to christians today.
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:09 pm
This debate has kinda died....So are there any more arguments that havent been presented or are there any arguments presented by myself that are unclear???Or is the debate over?
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:11 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Holypimp If no old testament laws were valid then why did christ say in Mathew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. me I'd actually argue that Old Testament Law was, in fact, created to be fufilled by the New Testament law. But this is not very on topic. What I mean is that the OT law was created with the intention that most of it would, someday, be taken away. However, as we have noticed, not all of the law has been taken away. What we use to determine what is still applicable is the New Testament. If it is not in the New Testament, then it does not apply to christians today. I understand what your saying now...but I still disagree with you to an extent...but I have nothing to back me up so...
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:16 pm
Holypimp I understand what your saying now...but I still disagree with you to an extent...but I have nothing to back me up so... , yo.
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:17 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Holypimp I understand what your saying now...but I still disagree with you to an extent...but I have nothing to back me up so... , yo. From what I read hebrews 10 only throws out the sacraficial system. And again I bring up what about certain things like the 10 commandments. Some of the ten commandments arent metioned at all in the new testament, are we therefore only supposed to follow the ones that are mentioned?...Bringing up this subject leaves the door wide open for non-believers to say that the Bible does not need to be followed at all. Also if you throw out certain sections of the old testament you must throw out all of the old testament, which means that Creation no longer applies, which means as christians we are allowed to believe in evolution.....What happened to Quote: Deuteronomy 4:2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you. What your saying is basically throw out all old testament law, except for what is specifically mentioned in the new testament....so my question is, whats the point of the old testament anyway???
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:30 pm
Holypimp From what I read hebrews 10 only throws out the sacraficial system. And again I bring up what about certain things like the 10 commandments. Some of the ten commandments arent metioned at all in the new testament, are we therefore only supposed to follow the ones that are mentioned? Jesus said multiple times to follow the Commandments. Therefore, they still apply. Quote: ...Bringing up this subject leaves the door wide open for non-believers to say that the Bible does not need to be followed at all. Also if you throw out certain sections of the old testament you must throw out all of the old testament, No. Because there is the New testament to tell us what needs to be followed. Quote: which means that Creation no longer applies, which means as christians we are allowed to believe in evolution..... Well, we can still believe in evolution, as it certainly makes alot more sense the 7-day creationism. But that's another story entirely. Oh, and the part about the beginning of the world is not moral law. It is an accounting, retelling a story. Same goes for alot of the OT. It's a whole bunch of story and accounting, with a few books of law in the beginning. Quote: What happened to Quote: Deuteronomy 4:2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you. Well, we have already added a good 61 books after Deuteronomy, so I suppose that pretty much screws us, eh? Quote: What your saying is basically throw out all old testament law, except for what is specifically mentioned in the new testament....so my question is, whats the point of the old testament anyway??? Well, the OT was kinda important for the Jews. Plus, tha mjority of the OT is accounting of things that happened, which, believe me, are pretty good metaphors for God's message in the New Testament.
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:18 pm
Ok....although I disagree with most of what you just said, I have nothing to back me up right now and I probabally wont until Sunday.
It appears that no one is really interested in the Harry Potter debate anymore as no new arguments have come up....
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:41 pm
It appears that the Harry Potter Debate has kinda died so Im just going to finish it off with this statement.
Regardless of what you believe about the harry potter books as a christian you know that the Bible specifically condemns witchcraft as a sin. My points throughout this debate have been that we should avoid the appearance of evil and sin, which is why we should avoid the harry potter books. In giving this advise I realized that my screen name showed an appearance of evil, which is why I decided to change it.
The Books could cause someone to stumble with their walk with christ as could anything else that is made by the world. As for J.K. Rowlings religion I dont know her heart I only know what her books tell about her, I cannot say that she is not a christian based only on her books, What I can say is that she should not be writing about a lot of what she is writing about if she is indeed a christian. She should recognize the fact that her books could cause someone to stumble with their walk with Christ.
Something that should have been said earlier but wasnt, just because you are a member of a congregation made up of christians does not automatically make you a christian, so in saying that J.K. Rowling is a Christian because she is a member of some luthern church im sorry your wrong. What makes you a christian is where your heart is, not what church you are a part of.
I will finish off by saying that as Christians everything we do, everything we say, everything we write should be as if Christ was to return any second.
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