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SirBayer

PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:57 pm


The Barrett M82, also known as the Barret .50 Cal, is a fine example of an anti-materiel rifle. Note that US troops are well known to use these weapons against infantry, so either we just don't give a f**k anymore or we're exploiting some massive loophole.

Also of note are recoilless rifles. Not as useful as rocket launchers in my opinion - the FGM-148 Javelin, for example, is a wonderful anti-tank weapon (it hits helicopters too!) - but certainly an amusing curiosity. Evidently (so Wikipedia tells me) the National Park Service uses recoilless rifles to control avalanches. WSDOT too. Pretty rad stuff.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:21 pm


That is a sweet launcher.

I offer you the Zastava series of rifles and the Gepard series.

I'm not entirely sure on what the laws are anymore, but I've heard mention of other countries having debates on whether or not shooting non-armored infantry with those guns is illegal.

I don't see why it'd matter, you're trying to kill the opposition in war, not make sure they're identifiable.

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lily564a

PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:09 pm


the problem is that anti-mat weaponry is really good against hard stuff, but just kinda goes through soft stuff. So it'll blow up a tank, but it'll just make a big, painful, possibly non-lethal, mutilating wound that even if it is lethal might take hours or days to kill (assuming the lack of proper medical care that is commonplace on the battlefield). Where if you get shot anywhere in the general middle area by an anti-personnel weapon, you're probably going to die within the hour. This all is inline with the fact that no armed force in the world trains it's GI army to be extremely accurate, they instead train soldiers to be accurate enough to use a rifle like a long range shotgun.

Throw in that mildly effective personal protective equipment, the like of flak jackets, reduces the likelihood of headshots and lung/heart shots, and you've got a situation where at best the most probable wound is not going to be immediately lethal anyways.

In that situation it's more Humane to use ammunition that's designed to make people dead quickly, rather than leave a gaping wound. This of course, does not apply to skilled infantry like snipers who are trained extensively to make the immediately lethal shots every time.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:43 pm


And it's precisely that type in whose hands you'll find the M82. As far as I can ascertain, the M82 was conceived as a sniper rifle in Vietnam when the army realized their best snipers were making their longest ranged kills with M2s (heavy machine guns!) with scopes attached.

And that's why you carry different types of ammo for different jobs. FMJ is cheap, hollowpoint is deadly, AP will punch through stuff, obviously enough. There is ammo that'll take stuff down, though. And there's hydrostatic shock from a .50 cal impact. It's the right sort of thing to drop a human too. Realistically anything that'll stop a truck will probably stop a human being, at the very least if you get lucky.

As for the laws, we're the United States of America, and evidently we fire whatever rounds we want at whoever we want. Go figure.

SirBayer


lily564a

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:02 pm


as far as the UN is concerned it's not a matter of stopping, that's pretty simple. Anti-personnel rounds don't go through people, they take advantage of the fact that people are squishy and use that to splay, fragment, and swoop about inside the target, causing massive trauma. A .50 cal round is designed to penetrate, and the fastest path through any armor is a straight line. It may have hydrostatic shock on it's side because it's a massive high velocity shell, but that equates to ruptured cells and vessels, death by bruising. The force of a shell that big going through you will put you on the ground, and the pain of having a hole in you will keep you there, but hydrostatic shock will take a long time to put you out of your misery, where a 5.56 NATO round will lacerate your internal organs and kill you in minutes, if it doesn't hit your heart or lungs and kill you in less than a minute. The trick there is that an anti-personnel round doesn't necessarily travel through a person in a straight line, the NATO I believe does flips, and spins around, so the bullet might enter at your liver and flop about through both lungs.

As I was discussing with Jikail in IM earlier, Incendiary and Explosive rounds aren't guaranteed to function properly against soft targets which may not put up the proper resistance to detonate them, even if it hits a bone since they tend to powderize when confronted with high velocity impact force. Protip, if you ever fall off a skyscraper, try not to land on your feet, your legs will explode and you'll just get a tenth of a second of intense pain before your brain splatters.

Now, as I've gotten my room under 80F and it's now safe to turn my brain on without a liquid cooling system attached, I have writing to do!
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:24 am


Oh Lord guns. Not my forte.

But we're back! Sorry about all these long, silent adventures, but looking over the posts, you all seem to be able to function pretty adroitly without the two of us. Obviously, there will be a post coming in today to move you all along, and if the tides, winds, and stars bode well, some background on the surprisingly still-extant town of Cliffshire, in addition to some SCIENCE about ether and ether types, in addition to some SCIENCE about magnemites (and thus voltorbs and the appropriate evolutions of each), dittos, smeargles, a few others I can't remember at the moment, military pokétech, and potentially a slight introduction of an extremely hardwired cultural norm that will make certain encounters easier to present and give several if not all characters some interesting development they may go through. The lattermost is pending on a good deal more thought; it has to do with the pokémon > humans but bullets > pokéhide dichotomy.

Also, I think iD plans to use her old "Announcements" post as a "This is What We Know About the NPC's" post and also possibly a kill-count. Either that or an inventory page for the PC's, which is also pretty useful, both for us and you, so we aren't all just inventing magical items in our pants and jackets (Lord knows it's a terrible habit of mine: "Siber pulled a rosary and collection of blowdarts from one pocket and a snack bar from a third"). Which is more important to you? Among the posts, I mean, not the items.

Once again, great to be back. Still a little fatigued because apparently some Romans keep their gnocchi stored alongside their E. coli stocks, but all in all, being there made me really, really, REALLY start thinking about excuses to put gladiator-style Colosseum pokémon battles in this RP biggrin Actually, that's just now; mostly, I drooled over the miniature reconstructions of the machines they used to use to haul up the lions and wolves. And iD nearly fainted upon seeing the Sistine Chapel (the Vatican Museum is surprisingly cheap to tour). None of these reports of vacations are meant to sound like "Oh how worldly we are," by the way - I sincerely hope every one of you (assuming you want to, that is) gets an opportunity or has already gotten one to see some part of Europe. It's a breathtaking change of pace and style ^.^

P.S.
@ Bayer's post since this is quick and easy: there is no one lurking in your immediate vicinity
@ Faithfull and Jokerman since I told Blackbird and not you 'cuz I thought I'd get it done quicker: stand by for some quick back-and-forth between Cliffshiran bureaucracy and Shonevskian don't-f*ck-with-old-men-acy.
@ lily and AaronwhoseusernameI'veagainforgotten: I love y'all's interactions and, of course, the Rogermobile
@ Isa and Wind (and Stryker if you're back yet): y'all've been held up the longest so you receive the most profuse apologies
@ Shaula and Ω: I'll have to check, but I think you two have the go-ahead to hit the road unless there's something iD hasn't yet seen in a PM; Dirk's well-enough-known about town that they won't do much more than fire warning shots as long as you're vaguely cordial to the guards
@ dragon: where are you?

SiberDrac


lily564a

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:41 am


I don't think it would be difficult to construe a raider settlement, like Woodmount only less civilized, that would force captured people and pokemon to duke it out in an old stadium. Only I can't imagine it being anywhere in the diamond of the four cities, so you'd have to figure out a reason for us to go past that. Maybe they hunt in the diamond?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:30 pm


@Siber: It's not hard for me to hold up, I haven't been here (or maybe that makes it harder?...) xp

Either way, this is a post to let everyone know that, while it took slightly longer than expected due to whatnot that had accumulated while I was gone, I'm baaack~ blaugh

So now Toby can wake up, the poor soul. mrgreen


EDIT: Holy Buggering Mewtwo, I have to catch up over ten pages crying

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iD bracerS

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:32 am


StrykerZero7
Holy Buggering Mewtwo,

~It is to be WELL noted that the abomination calling itself Mewtwo is in no way holy.~

More placidly, we apologize for the lack of updates yesterday; upon attempting them the internet opted to rise against us, interrupting a Skype date, AIM conversations, and most importantly, the imparting wisdom and story line to you Cinders. This will be rectified post-haste.

@Ω: I have attempted several times now to PM you regarding your Trouble; have those reached you? Gaia foiled me at least twice that I am aware of.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:45 am


If anything I would say Mewtwo is roughly Marvel Universe NegaJesus in the form of a magical bald kangaroo. All he needs is a colorful spandex outfit and a stupid looking emblem, maybe some minions, and he'd put Magneto to shame.

lily564a


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Dapper Codger

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:16 am


lily564a
If anything I would say Mewtwo is roughly Marvel Universe NegaJesus in the form of a magical bald kangaroo. All he needs is a colorful spandex outfit and a stupid looking emblem, maybe some minions, and he'd put Magneto to shame.

Magneto is my villain-hero, regardless of what anyone says.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:40 pm


Why is everyone so mean to Mewtwo? I actually had a crush on him when the first movie came out... *hugs him* whee

(him, it, whatever, just making sure no one pulls that one on me razz )

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SiberDrac

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:25 am


StrykerZero7
Why is everyone so mean to Mewtwo? I actually had a crush on him when the first movie came out... *hugs him* whee

(him, it, whatever, just making sure no one pulls that one on me razz )


iD has a point: Mewtwo is an abomination that is likely incomparable to anything of holy virtue whatsoever. It... it dares plagiarize the name of the Insouciant and the Innocent, the Blissful and the Blameless, the Omniscient and the Opalescent, mew, which is a blasphemy that is unforgivable even in the light of his undeniable physical attractiveness, especially in the brighter light of how much more attractive lucarios are, and they're not even "legendary"! How one so impious as Mewtwo is classified with the mew is beyond my considerable comprehension, though. I feel for him, I do, and to an extent I understand him, having had both the horror and the honor of speaking with him in the past, but... he is... ~The Unscrupulous Profanity~ without a doubt.

@lily: Also, Mewtwo is not limited by needing metals or a silly hat. He would toss Magneto about like a rag doll.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:19 pm


Well, at least you lot agree with me about mewtwo and lucario, that has to be worth something~ 3nodding

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Isa-sama

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:22 pm


Should we be worrying about the rise of another cult in the name of Mewtwo or any/all lucarios?
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