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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:46 am


I know. In a way doesn't that just make Cena look more like a chump than ever? Rey had a long and tiring match first thing. Then getting a rematch on it on the same night is no different than cashing in a MitB contract. And I can see why Rey was so tired, you saw how much he moved around AWAY from the center of the ring? What few things I recall Cena doing was standing in the center and waiting for Rey to run to him, get hit or catch, get hit then catch, finisher, then win.

All fear John Cena WWE champ with his 4 moves of doom. You know this makes me want to check on my RvsSD game and see how many moves they gave him in the move set.

You know what, I want to see someone do this one genius move challenge him in a match for the belt but make it a ladder match. It will put him completely out of his element and really reveal how much he sucks.

Last night's show started off so well and rather strong only to flicker out in the end.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:38 pm


I don't even really like Rey but I have nothing but sympathy for how he got screwed yesterday. Christian did nothing but whimper and beg over a loss of the title after 5 days. Rey got to keep his title for all of 80 minutes. Cena may as well have just snatched the title from Rey during the celebration, and ran off giggling like a school boy.

Besides, the championship tourney is how they do it when the title is vacated. The previous #1 contender does NOT get the title, nor do they get their rematch, because their rematch would have been with the person who left, not the new champion. That wasn't a rematch, that was "lets just hand Cena the title back." In the process we'll wear Rey out further with another week of two matches but this time he has to work his a** off just to try to make Cena look good.

I'll admit, the wrestling has improved, some of the gimmicks are funny. I did get a kick out of Michael Cole using HHH's entrance. I guess wearing someone else's wrestling attire gives you their entrance? Still, it's like they pull us in with some actual gems of entertainment, then they pile on the crap and remind us that we're watching Raw.

I really hope Rey wins his rematch. He busted his a** to get it in the first place.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:05 pm


Jillian Hall had the shortest, I think she had it for about 50 seconds before having to face off against Melina instantly afters and losing.

Damn that's just wrong, what happened to guys fighting their way to number one contender? Just giving him the shot. The more favoritism they show him the more people hate him except for the kids.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:36 pm


Seriously. Everybody else who's had that happen was told to get to the back of the line, and had to prove themselves to get back to #1 contender-ship. Cena literally cut in line. Rey should have called bullshit on that. HHH completely ignored the rules on that one. I almost feel like they may as well have skipped the tournament, had HHH re-sign Cena and just hand him the title in one event. Everybody should be calling bullshit on this.

Poor Jillian. They really hated her. I suspect it's because her first match she actually used wrestling moves even though it was a bra and panties match.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:07 pm


Is TNA trying to work a sort of CM Punk 'making waves' angle? Still way too much talk with TNA.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:34 pm


I suppose so. This Joker Sting thing is just too silly for my tastes. I half expect Batman to interrupt a match now. I didn't catch much of TNA, this week but what I did see was a pretty large amount of talking. Abyss is just a lame and cheap imitation Kane. I suspect Brian Kendrick doesn't shave because if he did people would mistake him for a woman. The main event was a mess. The brawl between Fortune and Immortal took precedence over the damn cage match.

I certainly don't care about Velvet Sky's history of being bullied and victimized. The ring should be a lot less "chatting post" and a lot more "wrestling ring". I read the results and you're right. There wasn't many matches at all. I think there were fewer than usual.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:18 pm


At least with the push Christian is getting as WHC, makes it seem more like his earlier losses were more and more just a series of setbacks. It was a pretty good match too. Christian played Morrison like a cheap fiddle.

There was actually a divas match this week. Great thing: No Kelly² or Bellas. Bad thing: it was another ******** tag match with little to showcase. AJ made the most of what little time she had, but had to be victim to another shitty scissor kick from Alicia Fox. One so far out of control that it completely missed the mark. It looked like Fox' leg came down on AJ's a** instead of her neck. You have to TRY to miss that horribly.

The tag match was okay I suppose. It seemed a little low key for an Uso match.

Think they're going to put Cody Rhodes in the running for an intercontinental title match? Aside from the steel post bump, Cody pretty soundly toppled Ezekiel. Almost made Ted Dibiase's presence unnecessary.

It's kinda hard to view Orton as bat-s**t insane when the crowd is clearly egging him on in his "anger management issues." It seemed like the Smackdown crowd loathed R-Truth more so than usual. It wasn't standard heel heat, they just seemed to absolutely hate him.

Well what was there was pretty good for Smackdown. It seemed to carry too many talky events though. They were probably out of ideas with the deficit of the giants, and Sin Cara. I really get a bad feeling about Sheamus's future and likely Face turn.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:29 pm


Ugh I hope not. Shamus works best as a heel. There are some people who you shouldn't change from their alignment, some who are great as monsters and should never be tamed.

Though thanks to that wrestling guild I realized that it has been a long time since one of the 'divas' held a male dominated title. Because of that stupid 'no man on woman violence' s**t we will never see another woman rise up beyond that tacky women's belt and make a run for the IC belt. If the Cruiser-weight was still around I'm sure that they would have found a way to go around it, though a Daffeny like win would be low and defeating the point.

Is it bad that I was happy to see Christain take down Morrison like that?

I hope that Ezekiel isn't about to start jobbing anytime soon. I mean if the person has the skill to actually make it look like a believable loss on his part then I don't mind. But if we see someone like Heath get in the ring with him and beat him I may have to take a break from WWE and spend a month of watching old matches on youtube.

You know if they had hired Naomi from the NXT thing I'm pretty sure that they would have fired Alicia. Sadly I think that on the list of first to go would be Alicia, Rosa, and Tamina. I'd hate to see Rosa and Tamina go because those two do have potential but WWE haven't been using them properly. How can you have talent that you barely use and still bring in new rookies?

I'm hoping for a push with the Usos' it seemed like they were only brought on to oppose the Hart-Dynasty and that didn't really last. Have Tamina go back to being their valet so at least she'll get more face time and pose as something of a threat.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:03 am


Especially since Smackdown seems to be at a deficit for popular faces now. What do they have right now, Randy Orton, Daniel Brian, and Ezekiel Jackson? The latter two aren't even all that popular. I guess they wanna get Sheamus into the lime light, which is too bad since Fit Findlay's face turn was pretty catastrophic. Sheamus' isn't going to be any better.

The belt cutting probably hasn't helped either. No cruiser-weight title, the Tag titles were unified, and the diva's title was unified. Combined with this roster of paper women and their anti-inter-gender competition stance, they have been telling us for years that physicality isn't important for women.

It's not bad at all. Seeing Christian pick apart Morrison mentally and physically was actually very interesting. I hate Christian's heel turn, but only because it was so text-book and cliche. Turn and berate the fans then consult another heel figure for support. . . .or of course, THE heel figure, because if Michael Cole supports you, you MUST be a jerk.

It seems like he gets to do more now as a heel. Actually this sort of bugs me about the face/heel mess. It's like the faces have to walk on egg shells in the ring, have to go by the book at all times even if taking advantage of a particular situation that isn't doing a roll-up might not get them any heat anyway. Heels can and will jump at any opportunity for success, and seem to be more efficient in their ruthlessness over all.

It's kinda depressing how they bottleneck their talent like this too. Very capable divas and superstars get NO air time for no real reason, yet there are significant holes left open from current talent being out due to injury/suspension/whatever.

The Usos are certainly the most interesting dedicated Tag Team still there on WWE. Probably because after the Hart Dynasty split up all we had were random current and former nexus members. The Usos certainly deserve a push. I don't see it happening with how little they care about the tag circuit though.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:47 am


It's because they can't market the Usos or any other team that has been out as of lately. They don't grab the fan attention like previous tag teams so they won't make as much money off of them.

And it wasn't just the mental pick down of Morrison that I was happy about. As of lately I could see Morrison as Cena's back-up. If anything were ever to happen to Cena to the point that he wouldn't be in the ring for a few months they'd let Morrison take the spotlight. Lose it to some heel and out of nowhere comes Cena, makes the challenge and gets the belt back instantly. It's kind of disappointing that because of him it seems like a crime for anyone else to even dream about taking the title.

They haven't had that good old anti-face or good-heel, the cheater that you love for his dirty tactics. Edge used to be it but somehow somewhere along the line they made the difference between good and bad rather black and white.

Anyhow we were having a debate in the guild about enlisting a women's title. We don't have enough ladies to make it interesting and if we did do it it would be like the WWE, the title constantly being passed around. With the IC belt having been vacated (because the previous holder took a leave of absences on us) we were about to reinstate it. But the problem came up about how to do it.

One guy (the captain of the other guild whom I have some respect for) said that one of our female wrestlers should be the number one contender for it because she was in the running for it before. Well not exactly like that. First one of my characters challenged her to put her money where her mouth was when boosting how she was going to transcend beyond the women's division by challenging the #1 contender for the world title belt.

The GM came and changed it to the IC an instead of challenging the #1 contender she got instant #1 contender rights following whoever won the already vacated belt. I don't really care for it when people who haven't really earned the shot gets one but I went with it.

She got her chance and failed and due to more talking made a bet with the IC champ to be his trophy girlfriend if she lost. The following match card she demanded a rematch but by then IC champ had left us.

And that's how the guy believes that she should be the #1 contender.

I had to use what happened with Cena and Rey as an example. New belt of a new era, shouldn't that wipe away any rematch clauses he has? I don't know I tried looking up the rules on vacated titles but came up empty.

My thing is this she had a chance and she lost, she made a bet and she lost, demanding a rematch because of it is low in my opinion a person should face the consequences of their actions, not whine and complain when they don't get their way. And for her to be awarded a contender's shot would be like awarding her for it. Sorry I can't abide by that. Not to mention all of the other people in the guild, what if they wanted a shot at it?

I'm not all that excited about Raw today. Even with Punk holding a title and back on the show I feel no excitement or want to watch it.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:21 pm


I see what you mean about Morrison. He has that look. He has the popularity level. The only thing standing between him and Cena-stand-in is Rey. It is really messed up how they set this up too. I thought every wrestler was supposed to dream of holding up that championship title belt. . . well, that spinner belt looks ******** stupid. It always has. So I can imagine anybody feeling silly holding it up. The point is that it's supposed to be the top of the mountain on Raw. Everybody should want to reach the top except now it's either you pretend never to care about the championship, or you turn heel in order to get it. There's just no such thing as friendly competition anymore, or competition in general.

I miss the dirtiest player in the game, Ric Flair. Eddie Gurrerro was a cheap b*****d too. You're right though. It is black and white, so black and white that it sums up to this: Faces aren't there for competition, they just want to please and entertain the audience. Heels are out for themselves and themselves alone. Their personalities don't even vary anymore. Faces are faces, and heels are either cocky or deranged (or both).

Sounds like the GM in your guild was closely watching Raw when he came up with that decision. Since there are few women wrestlers I think it might make sense to just put them in contention for the same titles as the men. I imagine they don't want to just be valets and with only 4, there isn't even enough to make a suitable title tourney.

The messed up thing is that even when it wasn't a belt of a new era, the #1 contender or ex-champ didn't get a freebie if the current champ vacated. I'm sick of them throwing around the word "Cheated" in John Cena's case. The stipulations were VERY CLEAR. IF John Cena lost, HE would be fired, which means NO rematch clause. If Cena wanted no part, he could have just forfeited the match. He agreed to the terms, he entered the ring, HE LOST! If they were going to get into a fuss over "cheating" then they'd have to take a very critical look at Orton v Christian at MitB too. Clearly they didn't care about the rule adjustments for the WHC, so why give a crap about rule adjustments for the WWE title? Of course, it's because Smackdown is the second rate show.

The funny thing is, Cena's job wouldn't have even been on the line if he didn't come out during the negotiations. Before Punk was chased out of the ring, Vince had folded. He was going to sign Punk's contract. Vince put Cena on the chopping block because of that interference. I'm sure the Cena kids would whine and disagree, but Cena was just wrong. There's no two ways about it there. Then they call Vince's competency into question, when compared to some of the s**t he's done, this was entirely on the level. The only person who was wrong in all of that, was John Cena.

Anyhow, sounds like it's high time for a tourney for the IC in your guild. The chick who went against the IC never actually beat him for the title right? last I checked, rematch clauses only apply to the ex-champ. If the #1 contender loses, they don't get a second chance, meaning she wouldn't have gotten the rematch even if the IC didn't vacate.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:50 pm


The other guy said that it wasn't just giving her a title shot but putting her in the running for it in the tournament. But then said that honestly he thought that she was too green to actually be a title champ. Even I sort of have that feeling reason I'm not too hyped about her getting the opportunity.

As for Rey getting that title I think that it might have been for that book or was it a DVD he had coming out?

But have you heard news of Eddie's and Vickie's daughter signing on to WWE for training?

And I've been trying to remember for the life of me the name of that one diva who was on Tough Enough or the Diva Search in the past, I don't think that she won but she made it on anyhow thanks to the backing of a male winner of TE but she had a really horrible attitude and even bad mouthed Vickie who was there (before Eddie's passing I believe).

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:25 pm


Well then that's more than fair. If she's too green give her a clean loss in the tourney.

Before Rey went to Raw he may as well have been Cena on Smackdown. It might have been for his bio DVD, but I think it's also because of his massive amount of kid fans and the merch his masks move.

That poor girl. She's gonna have to flee from the WWE as quickly as possible. Maybe they have a good training program, but either way Vickie is probably going to have to bust some balls to give her daughter an actual push after that.

If this was before Eddie's passing, I haven't the foggiest.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:41 pm


Well if I recall right she didn't even make it on the air.

Damn, once again attack the baby-face and you're instantly a heel, though I love Beth more as one given as a heel she had more face time but really this routin has gotten so old. They really can't think of anything new? They couldn't let her give a reason as to why the turn to make people sympathize more besides the people that actually think while watching this?

Miz and R-Truth are hilarious but great together. I want to see that played on more for possible tag team future.

If Vickie's daughter do make it and Vickie is still on I'm pretty sure they'll make her a face to go against her mother. If Chavo was still on oh the family dynamic that one would make. But you know how it is when you're the child of an old star, there are a lot expectations, to be the same yet different from your parents, to rise up on your own and not ride on your parent's coat tails but still honor them.

I'm glad that I don't see the anti-bullying campaign ads anymore. It might have seen odd hearing the Bella's tease and bully Kelly Kelly but does anyone remember when Cena made fun of Vickie's weight and her voice and a whole arena laughing along with it? For her not to have broken down at that moment makes Vickie the toughest and greatest female heel in that entire promotion.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:29 pm


It is indeed an old routine, but is it wrong to enjoy the sight of Beth grabbing that little twit by the head and throwing her into a wall?

For all that talk of change, not much really has changed in the WWE. In fact it's shown itself to be exceedingly resistant to change.

Truth brought up some good points pre-match. Maybe he got Miz to thinking. They could be an interesting tag team. They'd likely have to find some way to play up the nexus as faces first though. Great tag team action with Miz and Truth though. Truth really needs a theme again. This is just messed up.

They could certainly bring up bullying with Cena threatening Lauranitis so casually like that too. The Bellas must look like total hypocrites after that. Of course the WWE would expect we completely forgot about those ads. Vickie must be made of steel. I remember even Mickie James crumpled after being bullied about her weight.
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