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 Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:50 pm
Valheita kittycross *deep sigh* Yes. You have not rejected. Atheist reject the belief and possibility of god. you, not having conclusively rejected are not an atheist. i am sorry why is this label so important to you? Except, an atheist need not reject the possibility of god. Which is what I was trying to explain from the start. I don't know why this is so hard for you to comprehend. According to theologists and people who write dictionaries you are wrong. That's all. Just every single definitive authority on atheism says you are not really one. Other than that I'm sure you are completely correct
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:57 pm
kittycross Valheita kittycross *deep sigh* Yes. You have not rejected. Atheist reject the belief and possibility of god. you, not having conclusively rejected are not an atheist. i am sorry why is this label so important to you? Except, an atheist need not reject the possibility of god. Which is what I was trying to explain from the start. I don't know why this is so hard for you to comprehend. According to theologists and people who write dictionaries you are wrong. That's all. Just every single definitive authority on atheism says you are not really one. Other than that I'm sure you are completely correct Dictionary.com says that atheism is: "disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings. " Disbelief is defined as being: "the inability or refusal to accept something as true" Does that help you understand? I am not unable to accept the existence of god, I'm refusing to on grounds of lack of evidence. I refuse to accept that god's existence is true, because there's no reason to, and so I have disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings. However, refusal at no point says that should the evidence be presented, I will continue to refuse. Thus, I do not ultimately reject the possibility. But then, I similarly will not discount the possibility of an invisible elephant in orbit around the moon, despite the clear unlikeliness of it. I think the Oxford Dictionary of Psychology sums it up best: Atheism. Either the lack of belief in a god, or the belief that there is none" I have no belief in a god. Understand?
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:07 pm
Valheita kittycross Valheita kittycross *deep sigh* Yes. You have not rejected. Atheist reject the belief and possibility of god. you, not having conclusively rejected are not an atheist. i am sorry why is this label so important to you? Except, an atheist need not reject the possibility of god. Which is what I was trying to explain from the start. I don't know why this is so hard for you to comprehend. According to theologists and people who write dictionaries you are wrong. That's all. Just every single definitive authority on atheism says you are not really one. Other than that I'm sure you are completely correct Dictionary.com says that atheism is: "disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings. " Disbelief is defined as being: "the inability or refusal to accept something as true" Does that help you understand? I am not unable to accept the existence of god, I'm refusing to on grounds of lack of evidence. I refuse to accept that god's existence is true, because there's no reason to, and so I have disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings. However, refusal at no point says that should the evidence be presented, I will continue to refuse. Thus, I do not ultimately reject the possibility. But then, I similarly will not discount the possibility of an invisible elephant in orbit around the moon, despite the clear unlikeliness of it. I think the Oxford Dictionary of Psychology sums it up best: Atheism. Either the lack of belief in a god, or the belief that there is none" I have no belief in a god. Understand? you don't completely disbelieve Not rejecting the possibly of god makes you agnostic ag·nos·tic [ag-nos-tik] Show IPA –noun 1. a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as god, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience. 2. a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study. Agnosticism is not about belief in god but about knowledge — it was coined originally to describe the position of a person who could not claim to know for sure if any gods exist or not.
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:10 pm
kittycross Valheita kittycross Valheita kittycross *deep sigh* Yes. You have not rejected. Atheist reject the belief and possibility of god. you, not having conclusively rejected are not an atheist. i am sorry why is this label so important to you? Except, an atheist need not reject the possibility of god. Which is what I was trying to explain from the start. I don't know why this is so hard for you to comprehend. According to theologists and people who write dictionaries you are wrong. That's all. Just every single definitive authority on atheism says you are not really one. Other than that I'm sure you are completely correct Dictionary.com says that atheism is: "disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings. " Disbelief is defined as being: "the inability or refusal to accept something as true" Does that help you understand? I am not unable to accept the existence of god, I'm refusing to on grounds of lack of evidence. I refuse to accept that god's existence is true, because there's no reason to, and so I have disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings. However, refusal at no point says that should the evidence be presented, I will continue to refuse. Thus, I do not ultimately reject the possibility. But then, I similarly will not discount the possibility of an invisible elephant in orbit around the moon, despite the clear unlikeliness of it. I think the Oxford Dictionary of Psychology sums it up best: Atheism. Either the lack of belief in a god, or the belief that there is none" I have no belief in a god. Understand? you don't completely disbelieve Not rejecting the possibly of god makes you agnostic ag·nos·tic [ag-nos-tik] Show IPA –noun 1. a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as god, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience. 2. a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study. Agnosticism is not about belief in god but about knowledge — it was coined originally to describe the position of a person who could not claim to know for sure if any gods exist or not. Do you have a source that says atheism and agnosticism is mutually exclusive? Agnostic Atheism
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:14 pm
Valheita kittycross Valheita kittycross Valheita kittycross *deep sigh* Yes. You have not rejected. Atheist reject the belief and possibility of god. you, not having conclusively rejected are not an atheist. i am sorry why is this label so important to you? Except, an atheist need not reject the possibility of god. Which is what I was trying to explain from the start. I don't know why this is so hard for you to comprehend. According to theologists and people who write dictionaries you are wrong. That's all. Just every single definitive authority on atheism says you are not really one. Other than that I'm sure you are completely correct Dictionary.com says that atheism is: "disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings. " Disbelief is defined as being: "the inability or refusal to accept something as true" Does that help you understand? I am not unable to accept the existence of god, I'm refusing to on grounds of lack of evidence. I refuse to accept that god's existence is true, because there's no reason to, and so I have disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings. However, refusal at no point says that should the evidence be presented, I will continue to refuse. Thus, I do not ultimately reject the possibility. But then, I similarly will not discount the possibility of an invisible elephant in orbit around the moon, despite the clear unlikeliness of it. I think the Oxford Dictionary of Psychology sums it up best: Atheism. Either the lack of belief in a god, or the belief that there is none" I have no belief in a god. Understand? you don't completely disbelieve Not rejecting the possibly of god makes you agnostic ag·nos·tic [ag-nos-tik] Show IPA –noun 1. a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as god, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience. 2. a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study. Agnosticism is not about belief in god but about knowledge — it was coined originally to describe the position of a person who could not claim to know for sure if any gods exist or not. Do you have a source that says atheism and agnosticism is mutually exclusive? Agnostic Atheism You, for one. I believe you said something to the effect of them not existing
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:19 pm
kittycross Valheita kittycross Valheita kittycross According to theologists and people who write dictionaries you are wrong. That's all. Just every single definitive authority on atheism says you are not really one. Other than that I'm sure you are completely correct Dictionary.com says that atheism is: "disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings. " Disbelief is defined as being: "the inability or refusal to accept something as true" Does that help you understand? I am not unable to accept the existence of god, I'm refusing to on grounds of lack of evidence. I refuse to accept that god's existence is true, because there's no reason to, and so I have disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings. However, refusal at no point says that should the evidence be presented, I will continue to refuse. Thus, I do not ultimately reject the possibility. But then, I similarly will not discount the possibility of an invisible elephant in orbit around the moon, despite the clear unlikeliness of it. I think the Oxford Dictionary of Psychology sums it up best: Atheism. Either the lack of belief in a god, or the belief that there is none" I have no belief in a god. Understand? you don't completely disbelieve Not rejecting the possibly of god makes you agnostic ag·nos·tic [ag-nos-tik] Show IPA –noun 1. a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as god, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience. 2. a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study. Agnosticism is not about belief in god but about knowledge — it was coined originally to describe the position of a person who could not claim to know for sure if any gods exist or not. Do you have a source that says atheism and agnosticism is mutually exclusive? Agnostic Atheism You, for one. I believe you said something to the effect of them not existing I never said they were mutually exclusive, I only said I don't believe in agnosticism. It really should go without saying that knowledge cannot be absolute. Any other sources? I got more. Another wiki.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:48 pm
Your semantics are entertaining. but Valheita Agnosticism is simply a way of saying "I'm an atheist, but I don't want to call myself that". offends me.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:05 pm
CH0Z0 Your semantics are entertaining. but Valheita Agnosticism is simply a way of saying "I'm an atheist, but I don't want to call myself that". offends me. It should.The statement is an obvious lie.
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:52 pm
The phrase "Agnostic atheist" would mean that you are unsure if you're an atheist.
There's no reason to get nasty here, unless you're feeling insecure and want to make others pay for it.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:12 pm
Honney Boy The phrase "Agnostic atheist" would mean that you are unsure if you're an atheist. There's no reason to get nasty here, unless you're feeling insecure and want to make others pay for it. The links suggest otherwise. Care to cite your reasoning? I always get nasty when people don't listen. It's a personality flaw.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:57 pm
Valheita Honney Boy The phrase "Agnostic atheist" would mean that you are unsure if you're an atheist. There's no reason to get nasty here, unless you're feeling insecure and want to make others pay for it. The links suggest otherwise. Care to cite your reasoning? I always get nasty when people don't listen. It's a personality flaw. perhaps you could leave your nasty someplace else.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:58 pm
CH0Z0 Valheita Honney Boy The phrase "Agnostic atheist" would mean that you are unsure if you're an atheist. There's no reason to get nasty here, unless you're feeling insecure and want to make others pay for it. The links suggest otherwise. Care to cite your reasoning? I always get nasty when people don't listen. It's a personality flaw. perhaps you could leave your nasty someplace else. I am trying, but people keep bringing it back up.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:44 pm
Valheita CH0Z0 Valheita Honney Boy The phrase "Agnostic atheist" would mean that you are unsure if you're an atheist. There's no reason to get nasty here, unless you're feeling insecure and want to make others pay for it. The links suggest otherwise. Care to cite your reasoning? I always get nasty when people don't listen. It's a personality flaw. perhaps you could leave your nasty someplace else. I am trying, but people keep bringing it back up. Deary Ducks, Wikipedia isn't a source. It's just a bunch of hearsay plopped into one place. There's no proof that anyone who's ever written anything in it is in any way qualified to.
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:44 am
Honney Boy Valheita CH0Z0 Valheita Honney Boy The phrase "Agnostic atheist" would mean that you are unsure if you're an atheist. There's no reason to get nasty here, unless you're feeling insecure and want to make others pay for it. The links suggest otherwise. Care to cite your reasoning? I always get nasty when people don't listen. It's a personality flaw. perhaps you could leave your nasty someplace else. I am trying, but people keep bringing it back up. Deary Ducks, Wikipedia isn't a source. It's just a bunch of hearsay plopped into one place. There's no proof that anyone who's ever written anything in it is in any way qualified to. So, no citing your reasoning then? I'm sorry, but I simply can't see how the phrase agnostic atheist means anything remotely similar to that. I mean, an agnostic duck isn't someone who doesn't know whether or not they're a duck.
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