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Wait which pair are we talking about? Because I have like 20 different shoes in pretty much every color under the sun. So if you are going to say all of them, then we are saying that all color (and non-colors if we want to make the debate black/white aren't colors) are stupid. We are thus saying all visuals are stupid. Are we saying visualization is stupid, hmm?!?

Hmm...well...I guess I like Cookie Monster. Hate Grover though. <3 Elmo...and Ernie. Those are my peeps. Oh and Oscar of course, because he's all grouchy and I love grouch things. I can't stand Big Bird though, he's such a douche!

And now I should put on pants and a shirt and what not, b/c I gotta go to work. Generally working at an outdoor pool at night goes much more smoothly when you aren't stark naked. Generally. rofl

I think I'd like visualization too, I do lament not having it.

Well as long as you hate Big Bird we're good. I can deal with the like for Grover but not THAT thing.

Why do I like Elmo? Sadly, it's probably more of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU_ne-Pf6vE&playnext_from=TL&videos=eFPJJ5HjgeE

And less of the canon. xd

Bert and Ernie are also a wonderful couple, now that's an LTR there. ^_~

HAHAHA, I think we can go lower, but yes, this is pretty bad. rofl

And muwhahahaha! You are so welcome, glad you are going to survive. To be fair, I wasn't exactly naked, I was in a robe. But it's not all concealing. Not as concealing as I'd need it to be to teach.

I don't ever remember a time where Elmo didn't exist. Grover always got on my nerves, he always seemed...not smart. Elmo seemed insane, I like insane (and yes a little bit high). I don't like slow, I do like drugged and manic. xd

Isn't it just? I adore it, and of course the alternate theme is now eternally burnt into my brain as the "true" version.

Haha...LOTR is Lord of the Rings, duh! LTR is Long Term Relationship. It's kinda funny how many "support gay marriage" signs they end up on. They are a token representative couple. http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/proposition8.jpg

Haha, my parents don't always knock, so I don't often sit around nude. wink

I dunno, I didn't watch that much TV as a kid, so I think other than the smurfs I really didn't notice a detailed plot line on any show. My parents had me really involved in sports, scouting - generally being outdoors and whatnot. So I can't say I'd specifically notice how prominent a character was in relation to a series. Mainly, if they annoyed me or made me happy I'd remember them. So if they annoyed me I'd just be annoyed, and if they made me happy I'd be happy if they were there. Honestly, I think Big Bird is the only character I have took great care to notice the fact of his presence. Because he REALLY annoyed me.

But yea, Elmo was probably just really popular with kids, and Grover probably wasn't. So Elmo got dolls and screen time, and Grover got to go away. Just like with live action actors.

It doesn't, but LOTR is SUCH a prominent acronym that I don't think people are allowed to butcher it. I'm pretty sure you go to jail. Plus I think LTR has been in use for such a long time that it would get too confusing if people tried. I dunno, maybe I'm just also aware of a lot of older gay couples - they have LTRs because they can't have marriages. There's a point where boyfriend/girlfriend just aren't signifying enough. So Life Partner and Long Term Relationship come into play.

I understand how Elmo is popular. I mean think about the psychology of children, think about Elmo. Also Elmo is bright and red. Even kids who don't like red, they are going to be attracted to it. The way butterflies are attracted to the brightest flower. Even his name is adorable and fun. Elmo is also small, he feels safe. Grover feels strange, he's not just grumpy like Oscar. He's strange, you wonder what he's doing around children. You start thinking creepy van guy. He feels shady, you don't understand why, he just does. He's also not cuddly. Almost all the other characters are cuddly. Grover is lanky, and, in effect, more human like. While still being a monster.

And then his blue, that's the big thing. Because Cookie Monster is blue. Thus Grover is in constant competition with Cookie Monster. And - with rare exceptions like yourself - you can't beat Cookie Monster. He's a giant cuddly monster with a cookie addiction. Cookie Monster is in theory a much more threatening image. I mean he's an addict? He even gets angry at times! But he's so damn cuddly, and he's got cookies. He's the most marketable monster. So being in competition with him is just a death sentence.

Grover just doesn't have enough individualism. He's the quiet kid in back. And sure, that kid will maybe grow up to be someone great - I mean I was the quiet kid so I gotta pull for them. But still, they fade into the background. You don't remember the quiet kid. You remember the loud know it all (big bird), the kid who talked funny but was just so innocently adorable everyone loved them anyhow (Elmo), the kid who always had cool stuff (Cookie Monster), Mr. Outcast - but going out of his way to stand out (Oscar). Grover just wasn't designed to survive. He was an inferior creation. Grover just did not have his audience in mind. So sorry Grover, but ya had to go.

Nobody annoys me more than Big Bird - nobody! He's the friggin know it all who thinks they are SO amazing and needs to be quiet! Even if he DOES know it all, he doesn't need to be so in your face.

Butchering may occur, but not as often in things with crazy cult fandoms, lives are at stake. rofl

I don't think you'll ever see LP but LTR is pretty common usage. I mean you type in LTR into a search engine most of the results you get will touch upon it as Long Term Relationship. LP will never get you Life Partner.

Haha, I'm not saying he is a creeper, I'm just saying he's got some stereotypical puppet randomness working against him. For me he just wasn't interesting enough. I don't usually like nice, normal characters. Creepy - definitely (hey if Grover really WAS a creeper he probably would have been on my list of loves), loner (because of awkward issues, not because they think they are cool) narcissist, damaged, suicidal...huh. Ok well my sesame street would be messed up. But the point is, I need conflict and insanity in my characters.

Big Bird isn't cuddly...he's just...a douche. But like most douchebags, for some reason, people like him. They love him. See Big Bird you'd almost think makes my list - except one problem, people like him. Like Seto is a narcissistic a*****e, but if everyone worshiped him for it he'd be like Big Bird. And that one final step is just wrong. It makes all the horrible difference.

Yes, fandoms are scary and brutal. Hahaha, my brother loves them. I mean not in a gay way because he's a 'phobe (not totally, like he's ok with gay people - just not gay things, if that makes sense, haha). I think if Gimli weren't ugly I'd totally get into that. As it stands he's just too unattractive for me to want to fantasize about that. Kinda slash Merry and Pip though... xd

Haha, twas my plan anyhow...ya know, assuming Yami no Matsuei ever picks up again. Yea, I like characters like Jou too, and they are a nice mix with characters like my favorites. It's characters like Yuugi that I just can't ever love. Too vanilla.

Yea, but generally in children's shows - like Sesame Street - since you can't ever acknowledge a concept like how much of a douche someone is, you don't get those moments. So they are just beloved even though they are SUCH jerks. It's why I can get really annoyed at certain characters in kid's shows. The whole missing realm of reality makes characters able to get away with ridiculously horrible things, and this offends me.

Haha, there are, but Merry/Pippin and Aragorn/Legolas are probably the only two I actually like. In theory I support Sam/Frodo but dislike Frodo way too much to actually put much active interest into it. But yea, there is just nothing that attracts me to Gimli. He's total buddy category for me.

Exactly, Yuugi grows but it's in normal, natural ways. He's not a stunted character, he's just not very compelling.

Oh well yea, but Oscar WANTED to be alone so that's ok. Big Bird would have been sad and rejected if he was left alone - and that's not a message we want to send to kids. Yea, I can't say I can watch most little little kid shows without wanting to kill things at this point.

Exactly! I don't love Sam either, although I don't hate him. He comes very close to a Yuugi category - only in a severely more ******** up world with more screwed up friends than Yuugi. Frodo is just an idiot! But yea, they are wonderful together. Haha, God I feel like I've seen that before, but I know I haven't. That's vaguely sexual... xp