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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:02 pm


That difficulty is key for development. Bankai's will not be something that everyone will get, and the majority of the guilds members will make it to shikai, several cool techniques, but may never get bankai.

The training pit thing can be discussed further, but if it is implemented, it will be implemented for SPECIAL circumstances ONLY. Not for use as the standard bankai training method.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:04 pm


And We could use the Dolls as well.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:06 pm


dolls? Why? Because Bounts aren't allowed in the Seireitei, last I checked.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:08 pm


The doll that Ichigo used, he stabbed it with his zanpakuto and his spirit manifested itself, he then had to fight it to discover his bankai, allowing him to in three days complete the training for it.


Him and Urahara both used this method

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:18 pm


Here

http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Kisuke_Urahara Look under the Inventions thing.

As for the explination for the existence of them in this universe, it would be simple enough for Mirou and myself to develop them I would think
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:38 pm


Dude. The Forest is supposed to serve that very purpose. You have a week, or you die. 3 Days is rediculous in an RP, since most wouldn't make it, and they'd die. A Week would be enough. THose dolls are just stupid for any RP.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:56 pm


Lanfaer, he was just giving a suggestion so please don't bash him. It is after all a plausible thing if it ever came to needing a captain immediately. Your forest thing has the same principle and no one said that was stupid, now did they?

As for both ideas, I personally don't agree with them. I think they should be developed over time seeing as how in the manga the only two people EVER to get bankai in under a hundred years were Urahara and Ichigo. All the Captains and select Vice Captains (and Ikkaku) gained it over years and years of training. To give an option where it is possible to gain it in three days to a week would defeat the purpose since it has been stated several times in the manga that not everyone even has the amount of reiatsu it takes to achieve it, let alone the strength to make their zanpukato submit to them.

On a side note, many people enter their spirit world and the only reason Ichigo has to be forced into going is because he is still young and doesn't understand his shinigami powers fully. That comes with having gained everything in such a short amount of time. Once he is able to communicate with his spirit easily he won't need to be forced.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:58 pm


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Lanfaer, he was just giving a suggestion so please don't bash him. It is after all a plausible thing if it ever came to needing a captain immediately. Your forest thing has the same principle and no one said that was stupid, now did they?

As for both ideas, I personally don't agree with them. I think they should be developed over time seeing as how in the manga the only two people EVER to get bankai in under a hundred years were Urahara and Ichigo. All the Captains and select Vice Captains (and Ikkaku) gained it over years and years of training. To give an option where it is possible to gain it in three days to a week would defeat the purpose since it has been stated several times in the manga that not everyone even has the amount of reiatsu it takes to achieve it, let alone the strength to make their zanpukato submit to them.

On a side note, many people enter their spirit world and the only reason Ichigo has to be forced into going is because he is still young and doesn't understand his shinigami powers fully. That comes with having gained everything in such a short amount of time. Once he is able to communicate with his spirit easily he won't need to be forced.

That was my point XD, I wasnt suggesting it for EVERYONE just those who it called for.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:02 pm


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Lanfaer, he was just giving a suggestion so please don't bash him. It is after all a plausible thing if it ever came to needing a captain immediately. Your forest thing has the same principle and no one said that was stupid, now did they?

As for both ideas, I personally don't agree with them. I think they should be developed over time seeing as how in the manga the only two people EVER to get bankai in under a hundred years were Urahara and Ichigo. All the Captains and select Vice Captains (and Ikkaku) gained it over years and years of training. To give an option where it is possible to gain it in three days to a week would defeat the purpose since it has been stated several times in the manga that not everyone even has the amount of reiatsu it takes to achieve it, let alone the strength to make their zanpukato submit to them.

On a side note, many people enter their spirit world and the only reason Ichigo has to be forced into going is because he is still young and doesn't understand his shinigami powers fully. That comes with having gained everything in such a short amount of time. Once he is able to communicate with his spirit easily he won't need to be forced.


I wasn't bashing. I'm just up front on my feelings. No offense was intended. But, yes, it's not for everyone. Most would die if they tried.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:11 pm


well I guess we need to put it in perspective. Like kyros mentioned obtaining bankai required years and years of work for the shinigami who gained them. In order to assess our bankai growth here we need to adapt that time frame to the guild one. The question then is how much time does this guild represent in relation to the bleach world. Since people obtain shikai potentially in 2 weeks. 2 weeks could be considered a year as we assume all new people have already gone through academy years. A Typical Bankai traditional manner of obtaining is what 10 years once you reach a high level shinigami? 10 years based on that time frame is maybe 4-5 months.

I think that timeframe is not too harsh if the individual is quite active. Those who couldn't dedicate that which would be many would never obtain the bankai so it would balance itself out. Of note this is solely based upon a new member who starts from scratch as a nosebleed shinigami. Obviously some of earlier members will have this occur fast due to the need to balance the strength in gotei 13. In the end all I'm suggesting is we look at timeframe in perspective and I don't believe the doll technique should ever be considered an option.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:19 pm


Lanfaer if no offense was intended then I apologise. The way it came off, to me, just seemed to be like that. Even with the chance of death, I still don't think we should allow such things.

Aurilien, I think you're right about the time frame thing. We need to take that into serious concideration, but once again I believe it takes more then just ten years in the manga to accomplish bankai, but I could be mistaken. With that said I think we shouldn't even concider giving people bankai until they've been in the guild for atleast a year and a half to two years, and even then they should prove it in a test (a prp with another captain with each of the two competing for a minimum of 30 posts before they can materilize their spirit.) Of course those with extreme skill and activity should be looked at sooner, but only on a case by case thing.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:28 pm


It is 10 years I mentioned but once they attained a certain level of shinigami. This is not using 10 years from time one exits academy but 10 years after the fact they have standing within the gotei 13 such as being a high seat member. Anyways its clear you understood my point but just making the slight correction.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:53 pm


No offense, but when i judge how long something takes, I consider how the members will feel. A year and a half to two years of being in this guild before being able to achieve Bankai will quite literally push away 95% of those who join. Hell, even 95% is a generous number, since I think 99.9% would quit before they'd even consider waiting that long. 4-5 Months for Bankai for those who are active everyday is again too much, most never considering to take that long. If you want to keep the number of members in this guild very small, sure, go for those long periods. But I know far too many people, even those who are really good at Role Playing and have done so for a very long time, would give up after two months of being constantly active.

Do a post limit, if nothing else. Only so many posts of training a day, at least so many lines/paragraphs, and for so long, would be enough. Sure, make it long in the sense. For an example:

2 training posts a day, at least 4 lengthily paragraphs each, for a period of 30 days. Meaning they would have to post 2 training posts a day for a total of 30 days, even if they split those up. So, if someone posts 2 training posts and comes back 30 days later, they still have 29 days of posts required before obtaining Bankai.

Then add stages to Bankai training. At the beginning, it's difficult to control, only has so many uses, etc. At least this gives people a more definite sense of time that doesn't seem an impossibility.

I know this cause a friend of mine did exactly what you suggested, and his guild died in two months because everyone believed it was unfair for it to take that long. Now, I realize you are shooting for being better than the rest, but again, you need to keep other members in mind who join, and how they will feel about the restrictions you set, otherwise you will be stuck with the Captains, a few VC's, and that'll be it, with no squads at all.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:03 pm


Quote:
Bankai

* Only those characters which have been with the guild for a period of at least six months, have obtained at least vice-captain status, and have otherwise shown exemplary behavior, writing ability, grammar, and conduct will be allowed bankai.
ALL bankai lessons require the approval of at least three captains, and one letter of recommendation from the characters own captain.
NOTE: Under extremely rare circumstances, anyone may technically be considered for bankai. But in order for the character under consideration to be given this honor, extensive proof must be shown that he or she is beyond reproach, and that he or she is an accomplished and skilled writer and role-player.
In addition, recommendation must be given by at least three captains, including the members own captain, and a letter of recommendation must be given, detailing precisely why the training should be granted.


I just thought I would give a little quote from the rules. You know, those concrete foundations that have already been decided on and carved into stone?
This topic is NOT open for discussion as to how we are going to deal with it, it has already been discussed, decided upon, and resolved. I understand that you have some opinions on it, Lanfaer, and I do respect them. But as it stands, this conversation as to how this guild deals with Bankai is over. Period.

Now.. to avoid other such disputes, I feel that it is necessary to state that the majority of rules, "gameplay" or otherwise, have already been figured out, and that all we really need right now, is for each captain to set up his / her squad, the front page to be completed, and a couple other captain's seats filled. When a topic regarding the methods in which we, the crew, deal with things in this guild needs to be discussed, Aine or I will put it up for discussion. As always, if anyone has an issue with something, we are both ready and willing to answer questions, and solve issues.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:09 pm


I believe that Bankai should be at the Captain's digression. However, I believe that anyone who is up for gaining Bankai should have a required skill-set, such as Shunpo and at least 3 kidou (Not counting the ones they start with). Also, I believe that the crew should have a vote whether or not the person has shown that they are worthy of such an amazing power. 1 year would be a deterrent to people who are joining this guild. It's like saying "Oh, you can join our bank, but we won't give you interest on your CD until you're with us for a year and a half."
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