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 Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:15 pm
I also thought the use of animal symbolism was refreshing. It has been a long time since I read a recently recent book that imploys it. Seems to have become an unpopular mechanic for some reason.
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:21 pm
Mmm.....and a wonderful snapshot into a bit of the mexican culture......perhaps twisted a bit to fit the book, but the taste was deliciouse!
yes, I loved the brother wolf and the vampire analogies. If I was catholic, St. Francis would be my favorite. ^.^
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:22 pm
Don't forget the scorpion and the monarch.
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:24 pm
Oh yes! Sorry. I -really- loved the monarch one. that was a stroke of pure geniouse....I've always loved the animal kingdome, and I know we learn so much by observing, but actually useing poison to make a child unable to have his heart stolen, geniouse. Absolutly geniouse. (though it must have broken her heart to hurt him!)
What do you think about what Tam Lin said? About clones being exactly the same as humans?
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:27 pm
Well clones are just like other people provide that they can mature in a natural setting. If it grows from a zygote naturally then there is no difference from other people. There are of course a million things that could be done to alter the growth process, but these can be done with a natural zygote as well.
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 pm
Of course. It made me so made when they treated him like the other clones, though....I mean, the other's had their brains destroyed.....but still, he was whole....
Another topic that raised up in my mind it, if a child is born with a "destroyed brain", how is that different. They still have a soul. It really pissed me off that they destroyed them in the first place, but then they treated them like the garbage they had made them into! *boils*
How did you like the transision from old mexico to the new mexico?
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:30 pm
well a clone is HUMAN< casue its a copy OF a human...they were jsut being stupid...but of course, it has to be done, otehrwise there would be no conflict. and, the idea with the other ones...well i mean the whole debate about clones today is a moral issue, and the stem cell research is that they dont want people being "grown" just to have them destroyed. and yet that was teh ONLY reason for most of the clones in that book, which makes it seem the least realistic, i mean i think thatd be the least likely scenario where such a thing would become a truth...but then again its fiction. ^^
i was curious about how they destroyed the brains.. i mean, people can't live without brain, and the brains makes all fo teh other parts of the body function, which they wanted to keep healthhy in the clones....i dunno.
hmmm....i kow nothing really about mexico today, so i cant really make teh comparision. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:35 pm
It wouldn't be that hard to 'destroy' someone's brain. As I am sure you are aware, the brain is composed of several distinct parts. The portions of the brain that are responsible for most basic functions such as heartbeat and breathing are unrelated to those that allow for 'upper' brain functions, such as manual dexterity and complex cognative thought. But even if they did destroy a brain's capacity to regulate basic body functions it could be done by means of artificial life support. Today we can keep bodies without brain function alive for long periods of time.
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:38 pm
i understand all that. im just wodnering HOW they destroy the brain. they said they injected something, but i was wondering how they could shut down parts of it. i mean, if we knew how that happened, wouldn't we be able to reverse it? but then again this is supposed to be the future... i was just thinking about it.
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:41 pm
dancing_on_hyenas i understand all that. im just wodnering HOW they destroy the brain. they said they injected something, but i was wondering how they could shut down parts of it. i mean, if we knew how that happened, wouldn't we be able to reverse it? but then again this is supposed to be the future... i was just thinking about it. Oh, well they could surgically inject small amounts of fluid into specific parts of the brain, kind of like they do in I, Robot. The fluid probably wouldn't simply suppress brain function, it would likely physically cause parts of the brain to either deteriorate or simply stop those parts of the brain from growing, so that the clone would really have an infantile brain regardless of how old the clone gets.
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:43 pm
oh..well yea, i guess that would work. sweatdrop ummmm...what part of i, robot are ou talknig about? i can't rememerb for the life of me. or was taht from the book? i havent read that yet. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:47 pm
dancing_on_hyenas oh..well yea, i guess that would work. sweatdrop ummmm...what part of i, robot are ou talknig about? i can't rememerb for the life of me. or was taht from the book? i havent read that yet. sweatdrop Well, the movie follows the book closely enough, but there is a substance in the book/movie that that destroys the type of processing unit used by the robots. In order to stop the uprising of the robots, this substance had to be hand injected into the 'brain' that was organizing the uprising.
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:58 pm
oh.. i remember that. i was thinking humans though, becasue the robotic brain- a guess here- probably operates on a different basis from the human brain..btu we're getting off topic here. i had another question about the book. but nowe i cant rememerb what it was....uh give me a mintue.
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:13 pm
sweatdrop nvm.. i completley forgot.
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:16 pm
Geba_00 How did you like the transision from old mexico to the new mexico? Well, I personally don't feel that enough of Mexican society as a whole was revealed for me to really make that decision. I certainly didn't like the system of the Keepers but it didn't seem to me that the rest of Mexico was as strictly socialist.
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