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 Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:20 pm
ZonkotheSane nathan_ngl ZonkotheSane nathan_ngl ZonkotheSane so it's ok for an 80 year old man to marry a 14 year old girl, but an 80 year old woman should not marry a 14 year old boy, because she will not be able to have children with him. yikes eek . yeah. of course, poeple are encouraged to use their brains, but there's nothing really wrong with it. impractical, but not wrong. since when do you marry an 80 year old woman? sweatdrop . Especially when your 14? rofl . I mean... she's old... the point was that if you have 2 other wives, it's not so much of an issue. I think that the point Nathan was trying to make was supposed to be humorous as well as asking the question, "Why would the fourteen year-old MARRY the eighty year-old?" Ofcourse there are several reasons explaining this such as arranged marriages etc.
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:22 pm
Lady_Pocky darkphoenix1247 rofl I agree And Zonko, I think I misunderstood you; you said polygamy was outlawed for ashkenazim, so you're glad you're sphardic? eek I just find polygamy wrong on so many levels eek I agree, I don't especially like, or agree with the idea of Polygamy. But I guess, to each his or her own? there are advantages and dissadvantages. however, one of the major problems of polygamy, ie, everyone being married to everyone else, is nullified by the law that women can only have one husband, though they may be sharing him with others. i just like having my options open, that's all....
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:24 pm
ZonkotheSane Lady_Pocky darkphoenix1247 rofl I agree And Zonko, I think I misunderstood you; you said polygamy was outlawed for ashkenazim, so you're glad you're sphardic? eek I just find polygamy wrong on so many levels eek I agree, I don't especially like, or agree with the idea of Polygamy. But I guess, to each his or her own? there are advantages and dissadvantages. however, one of the major problems of polygamy, ie, everyone being married to everyone else, is nullified by the law that women can only have one husband, though they may be sharing him with others. i just like having my options open, that's all. I understand, I wasn't trying to criticize you, sorry if it seemed that way. But as a side not, I have a question, isn't Polygamy illegal in the United States?
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:27 pm
Lady_Pocky ZonkotheSane Lady_Pocky darkphoenix1247 rofl I agree And Zonko, I think I misunderstood you; you said polygamy was outlawed for ashkenazim, so you're glad you're sphardic? eek I just find polygamy wrong on so many levels eek I agree, I don't especially like, or agree with the idea of Polygamy. But I guess, to each his or her own? there are advantages and dissadvantages. however, one of the major problems of polygamy, ie, everyone being married to everyone else, is nullified by the law that women can only have one husband, though they may be sharing him with others. i just like having my options open, that's all. I understand, I wasn't trying to criticize you, sorry if it seemed that way. But as a side not, I have a question, isn't Polygamy illegal in the United States? i'm not sure, but that's also a reason why it's not done. jews are obligated to follow their host countries laws (to the point of reason). however, in the middle east, those laws don't apply, do they. and i don't mind criticism, nor do i get offended easily. so don't worry about it.
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:32 pm
ZonkotheSane i'm not sure, but that's also a reason why it's not done. jews are obligated to follow their host countries laws (to the point of reason). however, in the middle east, those laws don't apply, do they. and i don't mind criticism, nor do i get offended easily. so don't worry about it. No I don't suppose they do. As a new question to everyone: What should a marriage be based on? Love? Obligation? Anything else?
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:03 pm
Lady_Pocky ZonkotheSane nathan_ngl ZonkotheSane nathan_ngl ZonkotheSane so it's ok for an 80 year old man to marry a 14 year old girl, but an 80 year old woman should not marry a 14 year old boy, because she will not be able to have children with him. yikes eek . yeah. of course, poeple are encouraged to use their brains, but there's nothing really wrong with it. impractical, but not wrong. since when do you marry an 80 year old woman? sweatdrop . Especially when your 14? rofl . I mean... she's old... the point was that if you have 2 other wives, it's not so much of an issue. I think that the point Nathan was trying to make was supposed to be humorous as well as asking the question, "Why would the fourteen year-old MARRY the eighty year-old?" Ofcourse there are several reasons explaining this such as arranged marriages etc. honestly, that situation is so impractical it will probably never happen. it is possible, however, and therefor should not be ignored
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:05 pm
Lady_Pocky ZonkotheSane i'm not sure, but that's also a reason why it's not done. jews are obligated to follow their host countries laws (to the point of reason). however, in the middle east, those laws don't apply, do they. and i don't mind criticism, nor do i get offended easily. so don't worry about it. No I don't suppose they do. As a new question to everyone: What should a marriage be based on? Love? Obligation? Anything else? niether. marriage is a partnership. it should be based on interdependancy and cooperation. there are obligations within marriage that by no means should be ignored, and love is hardly ever a bad thing, but you don't base it on that. then again, it depends what you mean by love and obligation
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:27 pm
You can call me a helpless, pathetic romantic or whatever else you want, but I think marriage should be based on love, where 2 people truly care about each other.
I want to clarify this, though- lust is not love, nor should a relationship be built off of pure lust and physical attraction. Those that get married should be attracted in all ways: physically, emotionally, mentally, etc. A couple (and I'm referring to a married couple here) needs to be truly interested in each other, and be able to have fun and enjoy themselves in simple things, maybe even just talking.
I think that yes and no, they need to depend on each other. Yes, they should always depend on each other for support and love, but no, a wife should not depend on a husband for money, nor a husband depend on a wife to do laundry, dishes, etc. They should each be sufficiently dependent and independent on each other to create a perfect balance of happiness.
Cooperation is definitely key- all people argue and bicker sometimes, but only those that cooperate make up happily. A couple should also be happy together, and just live together in peace 3nodding
Anyway, it's just my opinion; do with it what you will.
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:03 pm
darkphoenix1247 Anyway, it's just my opinion; do with it what you will. you can't possibly mean that.
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:23 pm
ZonkotheSane darkphoenix1247 Anyway, it's just my opinion; do with it what you will. you can't possibly mean that. err...yes, I do. It's just my opinion- I don't care if people disregard it; it doesn't change it.
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:39 pm
darkphoenix1247 ZonkotheSane darkphoenix1247 Anyway, it's just my opinion; do with it what you will. you can't possibly mean that. err...yes, I do. It's just my opinion- I don't care if people disregard it; it doesn't change it. no, i meant that you can't possibly mean that i should do with it what i will.
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:41 pm
ZonkotheSane niether. marriage is a partnership. it should be based on interdependancy and cooperation. there are obligations within marriage that by no means should be ignored, and love is hardly ever a bad thing, but you don't base it on that. then again, it depends what you mean by love and obligation I both agree and disagree with that. Yes, I do believe that there are obligations in a marriage that should be followed, By this I mean, taking care of each other when sick, to care for each other and support each other, as well as no adultery. Everything that a couple would do for each other. HOWEVER, I also believe that a marriage, which is a Holy and blessed thing should be enjoyable and the couple should be happy, not feel like they were forced into it. darkphoenix1247 You can call me a helpless, pathetic romantic or whatever else you want, but I think marriage should be based on love, where 2 people truly care about each other. YOu're not alone! I'm that way too! darkphoenix1247 I want to clarify this, though- lust is not love, nor should a relationship be built off of pure lust and physical attraction. Those that get married should be attracted in all ways: physically, emotionally, mentally, etc. A couple (and I'm referring to a married couple here) needs to be truly interested in each other, and be able to have fun and enjoy themselves in simple things, maybe even just talking. Exactly, Very well said! A marriage built off of lust would be like building a house of brick on a foundation of quicksand, it is bound to fall apart and fast. True love, trust, devotion as well as that strong partner ship like bond, is what I believe, builds a life long, happy marriage. darkphoenix1247 They should each be sufficiently dependent and independent on each other to create a perfect balance of happiness. Once again very well said. I absolutely agree so there is nothing more to really say. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:49 pm
Thank you 3nodding
And I don't think I understand you, Zonko; what are you going to do with my opinion? xd
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:22 pm
i think our concepts of "love" are a bit different sweatdrop
anyway, simply put, marriage is the point in one's life where one's concerns for another outweighs one's own.
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:23 pm
darkphoenix1247 Thank you 3nodding And I don't think I understand you, Zonko; what are you going to do with my opinion? xd the word "butcher" comes to mind...
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