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 Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:17 pm
If sometime in the near future, someone invented something that could house your fetus for the entire pregnancy, thus solving your pregnancy problem as well as the problem most pro-lifers have with abortion ("you killed a baby!"). Sure, it would aid overpopulation and adoption systems would be overcrowded, but abortion would be obsolete except in cases of severe danger to the mother (almost definate death or severe injury if she carries the pregnancy) or deformed fetuses that somehow escaped miscarriage. Not necessarilly illegal, but they would be performed most likely far less often, since I have a feeling that most women who would normally go for an abortion would choose such a path as the one above, since they could then be rid of their pregnancy and give the child a chance at life at the same time.
Now, this is really just hypothetical here, since I'm asking if you'd support it IF that happened.
Anyway, now your opinions.
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:36 am
If it happened then I would not fight it. It would be a better option for women who could go through with a pregnancy but perhaps would like to give their child life.
However, I'd still abort. I don't believe in dumping your spawn ((especially my spawn)) into the adoption system if you can prevent it from ever beoming a valid life. It's just early stage adoption.
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:04 pm
Truly depends. I don't really think I want to bring another human into this world. I think that there are enough people already, and that our population needs to maybe start either going down, or at least stop growing. So I think I'd still abort.
Sounds like a pretty good option for those who aren't against putting someone else into the adoption system/bringin another human being into the world- or even someone who wants the child. They won't have to go through pregnancy.
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:57 pm
There is no way in hell I'll allow one of my "Ah, s**t"'s into the world. Sure, I'll be fine if other women would want that option, but me? Nope. Better to get rid of it.
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:36 pm
Well, personally, I think that, since it can be supported outside of the womb, it has a right to be raised in a place where it doesn't disrupt the mother's life.
For me, supporting abortion is not about being able to control the population, it's about a woman being able to make a choice so that she can live her life the way she sees fit. It's not about being able to decide if your independently growing DNA can live, it's about deciding if a child is what you want in your life. I don't see the point of abortion, if this kind of a thing has the same effects, except you don't know the child, the child doesn't know you, and you aren't affected.
I don't know, though. I never really understood the whole population control argument, and I don't know if I really get the core of this DNA control argument.
But I suppose that's a personal thing, more than anything.
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:24 am
I'm with Adrian; If you are going for population control, then you would also have to be for compulsory euthanasia for the elderly and terminally ill, wouldn't you now? Because that would certainly lower the population.
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:14 pm
I think that women should still be allowed to decide whether or not they even want their DNA to be passed-on to another living organism regardless of such an advancement in science being made available to them.
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:19 am
No-one wants population control...no one is saying abort to reduce our population...just that you don't need to add another one to the fold...
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:00 pm
Shard Aerliss No-one wants population control...no one is saying abort to reduce our population...just that you don't need to add another one to the fold...
I don't know, it's a problem for me.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:57 am
Mcphee Shard Aerliss No-one wants population control...no one is saying abort to reduce our population...just that you don't need to add another one to the fold...
I don't know, it's a problem for me.It's not so much "population control." That implies a reduction in numbers. You cannot reduce numbers by not adding more. It's more sort of "population not growing". Yeah, ok, so that sounds like the same thing. But preventing a population growing is different to actively causing it to get smaller ((by killing people)). My post was more sort of aimed at I.Am...sorry, didn't think my post through so well...
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:41 pm
You mean like Artificial Wombs? I can't wait. Then, when the mother's life is endangered, they both can live. And when the woman doesn't want the pregnancy, they can just take it out of her and it doesn't have to die. Convenient and humane! It would solve the bodily integrety problem, the possible future Depopulation Problem, and the child would get to live. Especially if the babies got equal rights. The women couldn't kill their unborn children any more than they could kill their already born children, and basicly, all human life might once again (legally) be valued.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:53 pm
Lorysa You mean like Artificial Wombs? I can't wait. Then, when the mother's life is endangered, they both can live. And when the woman doesn't want the pregnancy, they can just take it out of her and it doesn't have to die. Convenient and humane! It would solve the bodily integrety problem, the possible future Depopulation Problem, and the child would get to live. Especially if the babies got equal rights. The women couldn't kill their unborn children any more than they could kill their already born children, and basicly, all human life might once again (legally) be valued. And all the women who don't want their spawn wondering around the world? THis is just adoption, and you know how many of feel about adoption...
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:16 pm
Shard Aerliss Lorysa You mean like Artificial Wombs? I can't wait. Then, when the mother's life is endangered, they both can live. And when the woman doesn't want the pregnancy, they can just take it out of her and it doesn't have to die. Convenient and humane! It would solve the bodily integrety problem, the possible future Depopulation Problem, and the child would get to live. Especially if the babies got equal rights. The women couldn't kill their unborn children any more than they could kill their already born children, and basicly, all human life might once again (legally) be valued. And all the women who don't want their spawn wondering around the world? THis is just adoption, and you know how many of feel about adoption...
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:30 pm
Lorysa What about what the child feels about adoption? Parents won't be able to make decisions for their kids all of their lives... Many parents don't want their kids to go to war. But it's their son's choice on what he thinks about what he's doing, and what he's doing in its entirety. Adoption isn't perfect, but it lets people live to make their own choicers. They are actually able to grow up and decide from their own perspective what they think about their lives, instead of having someone else telling them it sucks. If they hate life, it's their choice whether they want to kill themselves or not. You can be dirt poor, skinny, and still be happy, and you can be rich, fat, and sad. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.", and so is every other opinion. I can't believe I'm having to say this. It does not feel anything about adoption. It does not even know what adoption is. It does not have a mind established enough to even comprehend that it exists. If I found out I was pregnant ((I've had a couple of scares...but it's unlikely I'll ever be able to carry to term anyway)) I would not care what kind of life it might lead. That place in the future has not happened yet. No person exists. So it doesn't matter what happens. All that matters is me not dumping my problem onto someone else, someone else I have never met. This "Artificial Womb" nonsense is just putting adoption forward a few months. Instead of a person recieving my blonde/ginger blue eyed baby, they'd get a foetus that will someday become a blonde/ginger blue eyed baby. Some of us just don't want that. Also, if every opinion is in the eye of the beholder then my opinion is just as valid as yours, with or without scietific backing.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:49 pm
Shard Aerliss Lorysa What about what the child feels about adoption? Parents won't be able to make decisions for their kids all of their lives... Many parents don't want their kids to go to war. But it's their son's choice on what he thinks about what he's doing, and what he's doing in its entirety. Adoption isn't perfect, but it lets people live to make their own choicers. They are actually able to grow up and decide from their own perspective what they think about their lives, instead of having someone else telling them it sucks. If they hate life, it's their choice whether they want to kill themselves or not. You can be dirt poor, skinny, and still be happy, and you can be rich, fat, and sad. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.", and so is every other opinion. I can't believe I'm having to say this. It does not feel anything about adoption. It does not even know what adoption is. It does not have a mind established enough to even comprehend that it exists. If I found out I was pregnant ((I've had a couple of scares...but it's unlikely I'll ever be able to carry to term anyway)) I would not care what kind of life it might lead. That place in the future has not happened yet. No person exists. So it doesn't matter what happens. All that matters is me not dumping my problem onto someone else, someone else I have never met. This "Artificial Womb" nonsense is just putting adoption forward a few months. Instead of a person recieving my blonde/ginger blue eyed baby, they'd get a foetus that will someday become a blonde/ginger blue eyed baby. Some of us just don't want that. Also, if every opinion is in the eye of the beholder then my opinion is just as valid as yours, with or without scietific backing.
Either way, it wouldn't matter. If it dies, it dies. If it lives, it lives, and that's great, in my opinion. But that doesn't mean we should assist causing it to die just because there's a possibility of it happening. If a person would actually wait for it to be old enough to decide what it thinks about adoption, it could choose on its own. If it turns out he hate's adoption, he'll hill himself if that's what he wants.
And that's all that matters, to you. Many people, according to AbortionFacts.com, are willing to adopt, love, and take care of this, "problem".
And I never said that your opinion was invalid, because opinions can't be invalid. You can think that elephants are purple and it is still a valid opinion. If I said your opinion was invalid, mine would have to be, too. Because they are opinions. Facts (Edit: Ooops, I meant "Statements") can be invalid, and opinions can't.
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