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AgentCimorene

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:28 pm


What are everyone's opinions on birth control? I like being on it because it cleared up my acne, stopped me from cramping on my period, and helped me gain weight. I think it's stupid that pharmacists are refusing to give birth control to women who use it, because it isn't always used as a contriceptive. I believe that people who aren't christian need it, and that it shouldn't be wrong for Catholics to use condoms and the pill.

Do you think it should be one of those things where you choose how to use it, kind of like creation and evolution?

Now, I'm pro-life unless the pregnancy would threaten the life of the mother or the baby which is the Catholic belief. I'm upset because a group at my church talked me into signing a petition to stop tax funding to Planned Parenthood. I asked, "Now this would just stop the money that goes towards abortions?" and they assured me, "Yes". I got a letter in the mail stating that their petition to stop ALL money had failed at City Counsel but they would keep trying. I was horrified. Planned Parenthood is great, and many of my friends have gotten tested for STDs, recieved medical help, and they provide sex education. Now, I'm fine with people _trying_ to shut it down, but when they lied to me to get my name on their petition I got upset. Planned Parenthood is not all about abortions, and do many useful things to the community.

I just wanted to see everyone's opinions and feelings on the issue all together.

~Cim >^..^<
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:07 pm


Well it's one thing if you need the pill for medical reasons. I was about to go on it myself to correct an unhealthy hormonal imbalance (which I won't go into detail about). But then the problem seems to be fixed after I started exercising more and watching what I ate. Oh well...point is that I was seriously considering it to improve my health. I was in a bit of a mental disagreement though at first. I've been taught that using contraception was a sin...but what about using it as a medicine and not a contraceptive? I had no intentions to abuse this.

I can't speak for the rest of the world, but BC among practicing Catholics is pretty much...unneccessary.

1.) Pre-marital sex is out. Who needs protection when you're not going to even do it?

2.) When you take your wedding vows, you promise to welcome children lovingly into your lives. Interestingly enough, your marriage is not valid until you try to keep your promise. It can be a bad attempt...have sex when your least likely to become pregnant...or one parent could very well be infertle...you just have to give it a shot and see what happens. Using a contraceptive is an artificial means that prevents you from keeping that vow. You are not accepting children because you are preventing them from ever being created.

3....on a personal level...I just don't like condoms on principle. The thought of it feels...kinda fake. Like the couple is not totally giving themselves to each other. Like there's something to fear. I don't like that. If I ever get married and engage in such intimacy, I don't want to be afraid of anything.

Cyanna


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:20 pm


I'm not sure what it does if you use it as a medicine, but I know that birth control pills are like abortion-they kill the fetus. Or at least it stops the fetus from growing or something, I'm not quite sure. I am completely against using it so you can have sex without having the baby. That's like you are doing it for your own, empty pleasure, rather than for God's will. As for using it for medical purposes, I really don't have a stand as I don't know much about the matter. Personally, you should ask a priest or a doctor about that.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:33 pm


Sauriyura
I'm not sure what it does if you use it as a medicine, but I know that birth control pills are like abortion-they kill the fetus. Or at least it stops the fetus from growing or something, I'm not quite sure. I am completely against using it so you can have sex without having the baby. That's like you are doing it for your own, empty pleasure, rather than for God's will. As for using it for medical purposes, I really don't have a stand as I don't know much about the matter. Personally, you should ask a priest or a doctor about that.


But birth control isn't 100%. Birth control doesn't always kill a fetus, infact, that's very rare that that happens. It stops an egg from being released all together. I still am worried about accidently aborting a fetus so I use a condom and my birth control, but if I were still to get pregnant I'd take that as a sign that God wants me to have a child in my life.

There is nothing wrong with having sex for pleasure as long as a person isn't doing it casually. I find it wrong that people just have sex, sex, sex with everyone, but with my boyfriend, we do it because we love eachother. Now my sister and her husband are Catholic and lead retreats and they have two children and are open to more, but they use condoms because it's less messy.

I was thinking of getting my tubes tied because I want to adopt children, a whole bunch of them, because right now my cousins are living with me since their dad died and their mother is unfit to raise them (though she doesn't think so). Seeing them and knowing how many unadopted children are in the world it makes me feel selfish for wanting to be pregnant.

AgentCimorene


AgentCimorene

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:40 pm


Cyanna
Well it's one thing if you need the pill for medical reasons. I was about to go on it myself to correct an unhealthy hormonal imbalance (which I won't go into detail about). But then the problem seems to be fixed after I started exercising more and watching what I ate. Oh well...point is that I was seriously considering it to improve my health. I was in a bit of a mental disagreement though at first. I've been taught that using contraception was a sin...but what about using it as a medicine and not a contraceptive? I had no intentions to abuse this.

I can't speak for the rest of the world, but BC among practicing Catholics is pretty much...unneccessary.

1.) Pre-marital sex is out. Who needs protection when you're not going to even do it?

2.) When you take your wedding vows, you promise to welcome children lovingly into your lives. Interestingly enough, your marriage is not valid until you try to keep your promise. It can be a bad attempt...have sex when your least likely to become pregnant...or one parent could very well be infertle...you just have to give it a shot and see what happens. Using a contraceptive is an artificial means that prevents you from keeping that vow. You are not accepting children because you are preventing them from ever being created.

3....on a personal level...I just don't like condoms on principle. The thought of it feels...kinda fake. Like the couple is not totally giving themselves to each other. Like there's something to fear. I don't like that. If I ever get married and engage in such intimacy, I don't want to be afraid of anything.


For point one I'm not going to get married in the church, I'd get married now, but I want to wait until after college. So even if I waited until I got married would it not count since it wasn't sanctioned by the church? And if it doesn't count in the church unless I'm married in the church, and I'm not going to get married in the church, then wouldn't it be the same thing in the eyes of the church? I mean is pre-marital sex the same as post-marital sex if you were married in a court house?

Two... I've been wrestling with the idea of adoption. I want to adopt as many children as possible and would take any child into my life and home lovingly, but does that mean I have to produce them? The world is over populated, no one can say it isn't. If it wasn't over populated no one would be starving right now. I don't think I'd feel this strongly about this unless God wanted me to. I feel selfish and guilty for wanting to be pregnant someday.

3. My sister and her husband are Catholic and use condoms, but not as birth control. I'm not going to get all redundant because I already said why they use it in my last post. wink
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:20 am


Personally, I'm against birth control pills, and other such things because their usually what lead to abortion. I'm not saying that's true for everyone. I am saying that people have sex for pleasure and use pills and condoms to stop from having the baby that they don't want. When the pill doesn't work, they have an abortion.

Pandali
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AgentCimorene

PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:32 pm


Pandali
Personally, I'm against birth control pills, and other such things because their usually what lead to abortion. I'm not saying that's true for everyone. I am saying that people have sex for pleasure and use pills and condoms to stop from having the baby that they don't want. When the pill doesn't work, they have an abortion.


I loathe it when people use abortion as a last ditch attempt for birth control. I don't like the morning after pill, either. But I know this world is over populated and hate knowing children are being born into unloving homes and that it just isn't conceveable to know that people will just be abstinant so I think the pill and condoms are good to have. Plus they protect non Catholics from getting STDs and I've known people with HIV and AIDs. I wish women who were raped would have their children, but I can't speak for every person. Abortion is just such a horrible issue with too many points. Men say, "It's a woman thing I don't have a say about it." Well, if more men stepped up and helped when a woman became pregnant then there would be less abortions right there.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:58 pm


It is okay to use birth control as long as:
The intent is not to use it to not have children
2. You have absolutely No sex, even if you are married (this is because you might end up with a child and starve it to death. See what happens is a child is conceived and is then with a soul but with birthcontrol the womb is hostile to the new life, thus starving it to death)

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:04 pm


Oh yeah, about the pro-life issue. Yeah I am very strongly pro-life. I believe that according to the bible (the ten commandments) we as Catholics believe that we should not murder. Now humans get there souls at conception and are born innocent. Thus is in a mortal sin to kill a baby after conception. The church agree with me. According to the catholic church abortion is an excommunicatable sin and supporting it is as well. So yeah, you can't really be catholic and pro -death (commonly called pro-choice which is mis leading)
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:37 pm


makiX
Oh yeah, about the pro-life issue. Yeah I am very strongly pro-life. I believe that according to the bible (the ten commandments) we as Catholics believe that we should not murder. Now humans get there souls at conception and are born innocent. Thus is in a mortal sin to kill a baby after conception. The church agree with me. According to the catholic church abortion is an excommunicatable sin and supporting it is as well. So yeah, you can't really be catholic and pro -death (commonly called pro-choice which is mis leading)

I'm pro-life as well, but there is a difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion. Many pro-choicers consider themselves against abortion and would never use it, but feel they shouldn't make decisions for others and give them the option.

Pandali
Vice Captain


AgentCimorene

PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:17 pm


Pandali
makiX
Oh yeah, about the pro-life issue. Yeah I am very strongly pro-life. I believe that according to the bible (the ten commandments) we as Catholics believe that we should not murder. Now humans get there souls at conception and are born innocent. Thus is in a mortal sin to kill a baby after conception. The church agree with me. According to the catholic church abortion is an excommunicatable sin and supporting it is as well. So yeah, you can't really be catholic and pro -death (commonly called pro-choice which is mis leading)

I'm pro-life as well, but there is a difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion. Many pro-choicers consider themselves against abortion and would never use it, but feel they shouldn't make decisions for others and give them the option.


I'm Pro-Life, but doesn't the Catholic Church say it's acceptable if the pregnancy endangers the life of the mother or the child? If it just endangered my life and I knew my baby would be born okay I'd still have it. I wouldn't care if I died as long as my baby was okay. I had a dream like that where I left my boyfriend with three babies and just watched over him raising them from heaven. He told me I'd better not do that to him. xd
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:02 am


AgentCimorene
Pandali
makiX
Oh yeah, about the pro-life issue. Yeah I am very strongly pro-life. I believe that according to the bible (the ten commandments) we as Catholics believe that we should not murder. Now humans get there souls at conception and are born innocent. Thus is in a mortal sin to kill a baby after conception. The church agree with me. According to the catholic church abortion is an excommunicatable sin and supporting it is as well. So yeah, you can't really be catholic and pro -death (commonly called pro-choice which is mis leading)

I'm pro-life as well, but there is a difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion. Many pro-choicers consider themselves against abortion and would never use it, but feel they shouldn't make decisions for others and give them the option.


I'm Pro-Life, but doesn't the Catholic Church say it's acceptable if the pregnancy endangers the life of the mother or the child? If it just endangered my life and I knew my baby would be born okay I'd still have it. I wouldn't care if I died as long as my baby was okay. I had a dream like that where I left my boyfriend with three babies and just watched over him raising them from heaven. He told me I'd better not do that to him. xd

Yes, but then its not considered abortion anymore. Usually when that happens, its either they both die or the mother lives. Although, technically, everyone is endangered during a pregnancy and many use that as an excuse when it really isn't. There has to be an eminent (sp?) danger that would cause death.

Pandali
Vice Captain


AgentCimorene

PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:21 am


Pandali
AgentCimorene
Pandali
makiX
Oh yeah, about the pro-life issue. Yeah I am very strongly pro-life. I believe that according to the bible (the ten commandments) we as Catholics believe that we should not murder. Now humans get there souls at conception and are born innocent. Thus is in a mortal sin to kill a baby after conception. The church agree with me. According to the catholic church abortion is an excommunicatable sin and supporting it is as well. So yeah, you can't really be catholic and pro -death (commonly called pro-choice which is mis leading)

I'm pro-life as well, but there is a difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion. Many pro-choicers consider themselves against abortion and would never use it, but feel they shouldn't make decisions for others and give them the option.


I'm Pro-Life, but doesn't the Catholic Church say it's acceptable if the pregnancy endangers the life of the mother or the child? If it just endangered my life and I knew my baby would be born okay I'd still have it. I wouldn't care if I died as long as my baby was okay. I had a dream like that where I left my boyfriend with three babies and just watched over him raising them from heaven. He told me I'd better not do that to him. xd

Yes, but then its not considered abortion anymore. Usually when that happens, its either they both die or the mother lives. Although, technically, everyone is endangered during a pregnancy and many use that as an excuse when it really isn't. There has to be an eminent (sp?) danger that would cause death.


I can see people using it as an excuse. When I was arguing about abortion with one of my friends said, "Next thing you know you'll be acting like someone died when a woman has a miscarrage!" and I said, "My sister had a miscarrage and it was like a death in our family!" and got off the internet. neutral He's not a very nice boy.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:04 am


Birth control for medicinal purposes is okay by the Church...just like painkillers to relieve pain is okay, but to get high just for the hell of it is a sin.

If a mother and the child will die, preventing an abortion is pro-fetus, in my opinion, because a life is a life is a life. A woman and an unborn child are worth the same in God's eyes, aren't they? In any medical procedure, if you have two patients at risk of dying, and you can save one or both will die, you're obligated to give the option of life to the person who can be saved. If one will survive at the cost of another one's life, it gets tricky. Usually the one with a better shot at pulling through will be the one saved. It's ghastly business but it happens. Induced abortion should be a medical procedure. As it is today, it isn't...(They've even got separate buildings JUST for abortion and different laws than any other medical field....) The result is that it is unsafe even though it's legal. The Church's stance on abortion is that self defense is the only justifiable reason to have an abortion, I believe, because prolife isn't only about the unborn, it's about the women and men and children already born who are affected by it as well. I could be wrong though, I haven't had any abortion learning in Catholic school since I was 13.

lymelady


Cyanna

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:07 am


lymelady
The Church's stance on abortion is that self defense is the only justifiable reason to have an abortion, I believe, because prolife isn't only about the unborn, it's about the women and men and children already born who are affected by it as well. I could be wrong though, I haven't had any abortion learning in Catholic school since I was 13.


I've been taught the same thing...it is okay as self defence if death is certain because it is better to save one life then lose both. Take ectopic (spelling?) pregancies for example. The embryo implants in the fallopian tubes instead of the uterus. If not removed...once the fetus is big enough...ick. Technically the proceedure to save the mother from this is an abortion. Unless a miracle occurs and the fetus somehow unplants and replants in the right spot...both will die without it.

In general, if the mother dies, depending on what stage of development we are talking about, it is likely that the fetus will die as well.
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