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Do you think that this will really have any effect on our lives?
  It will have an impact on people being surrounded by a Cathlic population
  It won't really effect our lives, it will just hurt the subconsious realtionship
  Not really, I mean no body really takes it seriously anyways
  No effect at all, it's just a bunch of hype and people, not saying any names (Yvette) are just freaking out over nothing
  Eh Don't really care
  Eh I care, but I'm not jewish
  T_T my parents starve me of gold so you have to give me some T_T
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YvetteEmilieDupont

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:25 pm


Okay, from what I've read is that the Pope (big shocker here people brace yourself :roll eyes:: ) is allowing latin mass to come back, to be an option. It got pushed out in the sixties, and for good reasons.

See nobody would really give a rats toosh if cathlics had latin mass, you know doesn't harm anyone, but they have this "wonderful" prayer saying how Jews need to convert.

Yea, some news people are saying that the pope may put restrictions on the prayer, and others aren't saying anythign about it. The one thing that I did get that said what he might do was that he was basicly going to go from calling Jews evil people to just calling us dumb. (wonderful upgrade huh)


http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=4c902ab1-07ad-4d05-b84d-0e30cfb77e3b

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/07/10/pope.churches.reut/index.html

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Jul07/0,4670,PopeLatinMass,00.html


Okay, you know some might say that this isn't a big deal since you have to have people to want it, and the traditionalist are old people dieing out. That's cool, but it's the thought here people. I would be fine if the pope was like hey you can have latin masses, but there all this degrading stuff to other faiths and religions has to go. I'd be fine if that was what happened, but the fact is it isn't happening that way.

Another thing that wouldn't really apply to us, but is equally weird is that he's sayign how Cathlics are better than the rest of Christianity, which is really upseting everybody else.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:18 pm


I realize this may seem odd, but I applaud the decision BECAUSE I am a Jew.

Settle down, settle down. What I mean is that Judaism teaches me that by studying the Torah, Tanakh, Talmud, and Responsa -- as much of the huge body of Jewish canonized scripture and Jewish literature as possible, that is -- I can increase my love of Hashem, my commitment and ability to do mitzvot more fully and correctly, and my admiration for Jewish tradition as developed over the last thirty-eight or so centuries. Truth withstands scrutiny, as the wonderful Carl Sagan has so rightly said. The more you know about the truth, the more you can identify it as truth.

So, I think that those of any and every other religion also need to know more, not only about their religion's current teachings, but about older teachings that may or not be in current favor. If there's truth in a person's faith and in their faith-organization's teachings, then they'll see it more and more, become more and more committed to live according to its teachings, more and more capable of doing what their religion asks of them. If there isn't truth there that speaks to them personally, they will probably learn that, too. Either way, being more informed about what your own religion teaches can only help you, no matter who you are and no matter what your religion is. This particular mass -- I can't remember offhand if it's Tridentine or Trinitine, but one of those -- is a part of Catholic history, and as such, every Catholic has the right to hear it, to understand it, and to engage in study, contemplation, and discussion of what it means for them.

I hope that what they do with that knowledge is teach one another, however, rather than hare off on another dang crusade to convert or kill us. If that begins to happen, though, at least we will (to quote a Christian scripture) "know them by their fruits."

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YvetteEmilieDupont

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:29 pm


yea, that is a good point Divash, I never really thought of it that way.
I guess I'm not the best person to have posted this, I just wanted to put it out there.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:12 pm


YvetteEmilieDupont
yea, that is a good point Divash, I never really thought of it that way.
I guess I'm not the best person to have posted this, I just wanted to put it out there.


Eh, don't take it too hard.

Remember, there's a prayer that used to be standard in every Siddur.

"Thank you HASHEM for not letting me born a woman."

Goodness knows that would ruffle some feathers if it came back to the mainstream, but no, I don't think it will, nor do I think the Catholics are going to try to forcibly convert us.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:47 pm


There's at least one women's siddur (Italian... I think the 15th or 16th century, but don't quote me, I'm not sure) which contains the phrase, "Blessed are you, Hashem, our G*D, sovereign of the universe, who has made me a woman and not a man."

I prefer the brachah in the Conservative siddur, "Blessed are you, Hashem, our G*D, sovereign of the universe, who has made me in your [divine] image."
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:59 am


Ummm...

This pope is going to get shot anyways.

How do I know?

Well.. let's take facts..

He is an old ignorant nazi s**t.
He is in ******** Europe.
Europe is having a massive problem with immigrants as most of their population is islamic. Some, may be affiliated with a terrorist organization.
The pope pissed off Islamic people.
The pope pissed off jews.
He has a stupid mouth.

Again, I'm not saying any of us, or myself would do it. I'm just saying, I can see it happening easily.. He isn't very well liked.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:19 am


I hope it doesn't happen, but if it does, I hope it's not done by a Jew or Muslim. That's all we need, more reasons for others to mistrust the Semitic peoples.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:08 am


Divash
I hope it doesn't happen, but if it does, I hope it's not done by a Jew or Muslim. That's all we need, more reasons for others to mistrust the Semitic peoples.


I doubt it would be done by a jew.

My reasoning is that, Europe has a bit of a terrorist problem. Last I checked, there aren't any jewish terrorist groups I know of.

Benzino the Great


sickday

PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:20 am


From what I can tell, they're just trying to make it easier for churches who want to conduct Mass in Latin to do so, and frankly, what's wrong with the traditional Latin Mass? I don't see how holding the Mass in Latin encourages emnity between Catholics and Jews...
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:21 am


LordNeuf
YvetteEmilieDupont
yea, that is a good point Divash, I never really thought of it that way.
I guess I'm not the best person to have posted this, I just wanted to put it out there.


Eh, don't take it too hard.

Remember, there's a prayer that used to be standard in every Siddur.

"Thank you HASHEM for not letting me born a woman."

Goodness knows that would ruffle some feathers if it came back to the mainstream


It is mainstream, Orthodox Jews say that prayer.
And actually, as a woman, I am not offended by it. I understand the meaning behind it. Orthodoxy, from what I've seen, isn't really sexist, it's just that Orthodox Jews observe completely different roles for women and men. It's not that the women have inferior roles, just ones that are markedly different from men. Therefore, the prayer is acknowledging thanks to God for making the person in such a way that they can carry out the roles and responsibilities expected of them due to their sex.

Although I have to admit that the Conservative prayer that Divash mentioned is better.

sickday


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:17 pm


Benzino the Great

He is an old ignorant nazi s**t.
He is in ******** Europe.
Europe is having a massive problem with immigrants as most of their population is islamic. Some, may be affiliated with a terrorist organization.
The pope pissed off Islamic people.
The pope pissed off jews.
He has a stupid mouth.


You forgot, "Looks like the Emperor from Star Wars"

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and Vatican City isn't ******** Europe, it's very nice there.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:24 pm


LordNeuf
Benzino the Great

He is an old ignorant nazi s**t.
He is in ******** Europe.
Europe is having a massive problem with immigrants as most of their population is islamic. Some, may be affiliated with a terrorist organization.
The pope pissed off Islamic people.
The pope pissed off jews.
He has a stupid mouth.


You forgot, "Looks like the Emperor from Star Wars"

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and Vatican City isn't ******** Europe, it's very nice there.


Im sure it is nice there. I havent gotten to go there. And youre right about him looking like Emperor Palpatine of Star Wars.

Benzino the Great


Macaroni Jesus

PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:43 am


LordNeuf
Benzino the Great

He is an old ignorant nazi s**t.
He is in ******** Europe.
Europe is having a massive problem with immigrants as most of their population is islamic. Some, may be affiliated with a terrorist organization.
The pope pissed off Islamic people.
The pope pissed off jews.
He has a stupid mouth.


You forgot, "Looks like the Emperor from Star Wars"

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and Vatican City isn't ******** Europe, it's very nice there.


Its all that remains of what the papacy used to control in Italy.
I laugh at that x3.
Poor Popey, stuck in his big church surrounded by the sinners and heathens. xp
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:33 pm


Benzino the Great
LordNeuf

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youre right about him looking like Emperor Palpatine of Star Wars.


Well the real question remains... will Kingpinsquezels (or how ever you spell it) shoot Ovaltine through her nostrils when she sees that pic.

LordNeuf
Crew


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:48 pm


Benzino the Great
Ummm...

This pope is going to get shot anyways.

How do I know?

Well.. let's take facts..

He is an old ignorant nazi s**t.
He is in ******** Europe.
Europe is having a massive problem with immigrants as most of their population is islamic. Some, may be affiliated with a terrorist organization.
The pope pissed off Islamic people.
The pope pissed off jews.
He has a stupid mouth.

Again, I'm not saying any of us, or myself would do it. I'm just saying, I can see it happening easily.. He isn't very well liked.
You sound like a little kid with your rant. He was in the Hitler Youth, all kids had to be in the youth by a certain age. I think around age five? So calling him a Nazi s**t is calling every person around age 70 or older in Germany a Nazi. What you said were not facts but a matter of opinion, which was yours. People get pissed and get people mad, I don't personally like the guy either, but I don't hate him like you express it. Why don't you assassinate him if you feel this way?
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