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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:04 pm
First off, I'm typing this slowly, because on my right hand, there are two coats of black nail polish, and I'm not sure it's entirely dry. I still have to do the other hand, but since I'm left-handed, it'll be difficult. Not to mention I still have to write my l0ve, and tell her that if she gets back before eight her time, I won't be online.
Now then, did any of you make any assumptions about my character based off of the phrase "nail polish"? I should hope not, since you should know by now who and what I am, based off of my reactions. Plus, I likely wouldn't give a damn what you thought, considering only three opinions matter to me. And none of those is a government official, before you ask. God isn't one either, unfortunately. I was raised Christian, but, as I've said before, the old philosophies are far more powerful.
Stereotyping is the act of forming an opinion about someone based on what they're wearing/listening to/what they look like, et cetera.
Any stereotypes you want to discuss, here you go. Also, what do you think about stereotyping in general?
I've been classified as a % ", a "gay", and a "thug", because of the way I dress, the fact I wear nail polish, and the way I act. I am a thug, I do dress like a , but my g1rlfriend would shoot any person who called me gay.
So, discuss away!
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:08 pm
Stereotypes not only apply to adolescents, but to regions and religions. For example, the average Israeli is stereotyped as a Zionist Jew when most Israelis don't follow a religion at all... or just because someone lives in the middle east, they are Islamic extremists.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:13 pm
While stereotypes are detremental to societies, and the way people think, they exist for a reason. Do not take this as a justification, merely an explanation on their existance. Stereotypes exist because there are enough people that act, or think in a certain way that they are easily grouped. Humans, by nature (and not a good one) have a tendancy to group things. Not just people, anything that is similar goes into a group. So when it started happening to people, it wasn't a big surprise.
Stereotypes do have a place in a society, though not necessarily a good one. They allow people to group themselves, as well as others, to preserve social status. They are a psycological tool. In all reality, the only way to get rid of stereotyping, is to remove the egos behind the action. Until then, no such luck, and it's either live with them, or avoid them as much as possible.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:56 pm
It can be pretty funny, actually. We can have the a goth's person on what they classify as a 'prep' as being a shallow person, that only cares about aesthetics and all that jazz. At the same time, said 'prep' sees the goth person as someone who loves to dress in black, worship dark gods while hanging out in cemeteries, etc.
Or we can have the american stereotype of the middle-eastern person as a savage terrorist ready to blow themselves up at any minute. On the other hand, in other countries, (I can tell you that for sure, since I'm from Brazil) the americans fall into the warmonger stereotype - that all of them agree 100% with the war and so on.
We, as humans, fear what's different.
You were raised a devout christian, with loving parents whenever you need them; a straight A student - life is just swell. And you are mostly around people just like yourself. But one fine day, you look with the corner of your eye and see someone dressed in black, always complaining about this or that, or that life is pain. There has to be something wrong with him, right? I mean, he's not anything like YOU, like he should be. And you'll start to look down on him.
Not only people tend to separate other people by groups, as terranproby42 mentioned just above me here, we tend to have specific views on what's right or wrong. The way you were raised, the things you do, and more importantly, your beliefs are right; if anyone comes along saying anything that contradicts said beliefs, they're wrong. And not only will you try to prove yourself right, but you'll also try to force the other person into believing the same thing. If that doesn't happen, a spark of angst might come along between the two of you.
Now, bringing the two above paragraphs together, you might get a possible start of stereotyping. If I don't like that kid who dresses in black everyday, I mostly likely have an aversion for anyone who does the same. It's easier to shun or hate that way. Specially if you come up with a name for that 'group'.
However, this is the natural response. Well, maybe not natural, in the most raw sense of the word, since we can't know if someone raised in a completely different environment would express this 'racism', so to speak. By natural, I mean what we all become through growing up in today's western society. And those responses are carved deep in your mind. You probably know better than to be prejudist against this or that culture, sub-culture or whatever. But before the rational side of your brain can tell you that, your first impulse is the natural response. And I'll admit, when I read the 'nail polish' phrase, the first image that came to me was that Draven was either a goth or a more radical rocker (not that I think those are bad).
But, as societies evolve, so do the individual opinions. And some of those were directed to those prejudistic thoughts, and disaprove of them. So they started to spread the word, and try to convince everyone of the irrationality beneath racism and prejudice. Some of us adhered to it, some didn't.
My opinion? We are all the same, we are completely different. Not all black people are the same. Not all americans support war. Not all pro-war people are the same. But in the end, we are just humans.
Phew, that's it. Sorry for the long post, I kinda got carried away in this one. Keep in mind that those are my views here. I don't intend on preaching them as the absolute truth.
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:41 am
Actually... sweatdrop the nail polish thing didn't bother me... This, however, needs some explaining.
I don't use nail polish. I have seen other people use nail polish... not any female friends, mind you, but a "goth" that I knew somewhat, my friend at school, and I can't think of others off hand. Even saying that, I'm not bothered because it's them. When asked if I wanted nail polish on my hands, I just said no and left it at that.
I don't know if I'm just repeating something, but I attempt to not steriotype. But, it's also unavoidable when you see people participating in said groups. As in, not goths and gays... but like people that will listen to the same music (rap music... crying ), I don't like the music, and by hearing them listening to it, I lose all interest in knowing them better. Then again, another thought is that since I don't like rap, they might not find interest in getting to know me either. I know that steriotyping will not only leave you short on friends, but will confuse you if said friends participate in the steriotyped things. As in, not all Magic players will enjoy the same things. Not all people wearing glasses are "nerds". Even if someone likes DDR, it doesn't mean they all share a lot of common likes and dislikes. One friend likes DDR, doesn't enjoy Magic, doesn't wear glasses, and doesn't like loud rap. Another friend likes DDR, Magic, has glasses, and doesn't like rap. Yet another I don't know about DDR, likes Magic somewhat, has glasses, and doesn't like rap. I guess the only thing common is that they all don't enjoy listening to rap... ninja yet note how one doesn't like Magic, and how I can't say that people that like Magic like DDR. (If that even makes sense.) Going a bit further, I can't say what things people like based off this information. One of my friends in this small group doesn't like survivor/horror games... but you can't really tell which one based on the given information... (third one... if you're wondering.)
Racisim comes to mind when thinking of this... which I (hope) have none. Having two friends that, if being racist, I wouldn't have gotten to know, they are hilarious! I am glad to have met them before, and wish I still had contact with them.
And... I hope all of this made sense, and I think I can somewhat say that my friends either like Magic, DDR, or hate rap. xd Of course, that's something I don't care much to say... or take into account. I notice things as they come.
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:58 am
MightyHikaru It can be pretty funny, actually. We can have the a 's person on what they classify as a 'prep' as being a shallow person, that only cares about aesthetics and all that jazz. At the same time, said 'prep' sees the person as someone who loves to dress in black, worship dark gods while hanging out in cemeteries, etc. Or we can have the american stereotype of the middle-eastern person as a savage ist ready to blow themselves up at any minute. On the other hand, in other countries, (I can tell you that for sure, since I'm from Brazil) the americans fall into the warmonger stereotype - that all of them agree 100% with the war and so on. We, as humans, fear what's different. You were raised a devout christian, with loving parents whenever you need them; a straight A student - life is just swell. And you are mostly around people just like yourself. But one fine day, you look with the corner of your eye and see someone dressed in black, always complaining about this or that, or that life is pain. There has to be something wrong with him, right? I mean, he's not anything like YOU, like he should be. And you'll start to look down on him. Not only people tend to separate other people by groups, as terranproby42 mentioned just above me here, we tend to have specific views on what's right or wrong. The way you were raised, the things you do, and more importantly, your beliefs are right; if anyone comes along saying anything that contradicts said beliefs, they're wrong. And not only will you try to prove yourself right, but you'll also try to force the other person into believing the same thing. If that doesn't happen, a spark of angst might come along between the two of you. Now, bringing the two above paragraphs together, you might get a possible start of stereotyping. If I don't like that kid who dresses in black everyday, I mostly likely have an aversion for anyone who does the same. It's easier to shun or hate that way. Specially if you come up with a name for that 'group'. However, this is the natural response. Well, maybe not natural, in the most raw sense of the word, since we can't know if someone raised in a completely different environment would express this 'racism', so to speak. By natural, I mean what we all become through growing up in today's western society. And those responses are carved deep in your mind. You probably know better than to be prejudist against this or that culture, sub-culture or whatever. But before the rational side of your brain can tell you that, your first impulse is the natural response. And I'll admit, when I read the 'nail polish' phrase, the first image that came to me was that Draven was either a or a more radical rocker (not that I think those are bad). But, as societies evolve, so do the individual opinions. And some of those were directed to those prejudistic thoughts, and disaprove of them. So they started to spread the word, and try to convince everyone of the irrationality beneath and prejudice. Some of us adhered to it, some didn't. My opinion? We are all the same, we are completely different. Not all black people are the same. Not all americans support war. Not all pro-war people are the same. But in the end, we are just humans. Phew, that's it. Sorry for the long post, I kinda got carried away in this one. Keep in mind that those are my views here. I don't intend on preaching them as the absolute truth.Well, I find that I absolutely agree with you on this one. I've been the victim of stereotypes for a large part of the last six years, and I'm quite honestly sick of it. Oh, I am a radical rocker. It's part of my lifestyle, and for that, yes, I fit the stereotype. I am not your typical g0th, even though I do wear a lot of black. I don't h@te my life, though. I actually quite enjoy it, sicne I have someone to care about who I love very much. I use the energy to get around the stereotyping. That, and I wear blue every now and then. Oh, MightyHikaru, you're a Dylan Thomas fan? Excellent.
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:36 pm
Stereotypes.
My opinion on stereotypes is such: We cannot live without them, or at least, we cannot live being human. People need something to associate things with; people need a way to organise their lives. OLtherwise, people would have no basis for..anything, really.
Example: I was told that a cow has black spots. I see an animal with black spots; my automatic reaction is 'that's a cow'. (Obviously, stereotypes are more complex, involve more information and classification and such.)
I've always been fascinated in the way humans manage to organize everything they see/hear/find out about. They use stereotypes, which might be correct and might be wrong, depeding on the source of information and the accuracy of the person's judgement.
If we didn't have stereotypes, people generally would not be able to comprehend their surroundings.
I dissagree with assuming that any boy wearing pink is gay, or with assuming that all girls hate math, but the general concept of stereotyping is quite ingenius. *pats mother nature*
Sorry if this made no sense; I'm half asleep.
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:17 pm
Cougar Draven Well, I find that I absolutely agree with you on this one. I've been the victim of stereotypes for a large part of the last six years, and I'm quite honestly sick of it. Oh, I am a radical rocker. It's part of my lifestyle, and for that, yes, I fit the stereotype. I am not your typical g0th, even though I do wear a lot of black. I don't h@te my life, though. I actually quite enjoy it, sicne I have someone to care about who I love very much. I use the energy to get around the stereotyping. That, and I wear blue every now and then. Oh, MightyHikaru, you're a Dylan Thomas fan? Excellent. I just noticed something... since the hell when they started to block out "g0th"? Jesus tap dancing christ. Soon they'll be blocking out "prep" and "black" too. Anyways, I tend to get caught in stereotypes too. Most of the times when I'm nothing like that. I like wearing black, but not all the time. Just to go to the movies or something. And one time, when I was wearing black, this guy came to me and started saying that it was alright for me to be g0th, but to be careful, because there were gangs out there who don't like g0ths. What the hell... And actually, I only know that poem from Dylan Thomas sweatdrop . But.. it's my favore Dylan Thomas poem already!
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:31 am
We have Stereotypes because they're usually true.
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:03 am
I was in the middle of making a response to this thread yesterday and I unfortunately had to log off quickly. sweatdrop So let me try and remember what I said.
Some of it relates to what Ultima Squall mentiones. We have them because they are true. A stereotype is simply a dirty way of saying label, category, or genera. They're all the same thing and all have generally the same function. They are umbrella terms that we stick people under if they appear to fit, ignoring for a moment the ways in which they do not. Funny how people get upset about stereotypes, and yet no so much about labels, categories, and genera. Things require labels for without such description, how do you go about communicating? Stereotypes are meant to facilitate communication in prime. How any individual person uses or abuses this is up to them.
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:38 am
Ultima Squall We have Stereotypes because they're usually true. I didn't have to write that whole long post about the latter fact, did I.. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 8:47 am
Whoops...sorry. Hmm...stereotypes in my opinion is how people try to pigeon hole the unknown to maek their world seem less certain, more safe. sure some people love to play the stereotype card but most of the time, we are growing to realise that stereotypes are ebing broken. for example. gay men are no longer effeminate men (and vice versa). Goths do not wear black EVERYWHERE they go etc.
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 8:54 am
MightyHikaru Cougar Draven Well, I find that I absolutely agree with you on this one. I've been the victim of stereotypes for a large part of the last six years, and I'm quite honestly sick of it. Oh, I am a radical rocker. It's part of my lifestyle, and for that, yes, I fit the stereotype. I am not your typical g0th, even though I do wear a lot of black. I don't h@te my life, though. I actually quite enjoy it, sicne I have someone to care about who I love very much. I use the energy to get around the stereotyping. That, and I wear blue every now and then. Oh, MightyHikaru, you're a Dylan Thomas fan? Excellent. I just noticed something... since the hell when they started to block out "g0th"? Jesus tap dancing christ. Soon they'll be blocking out "prep" and "black" too. Anyways, I tend to get caught in stereotypes too. Most of the times when I'm nothing like that. I like wearing black, but not all the time. Just to go to the movies or something. And one time, when I was wearing black, this guy came to me and started saying that it was alright for me to be g0th, but to be careful, because there were gangs out there who don't like g0ths. What the hell... And actually, I only know that poem from Dylan Thomas sweatdrop . But.. it's my favore Dylan Thomas poem already! It's ok. I don't know much of his stuff... Yeah, it's my particular web blocker that blocks out "g0th". It also blocks out "g1rl", "bl00d", and "b@stard". It doesn't block a**, dumbass, smartass, or jackass, but "assh0le" is out. I've been testing the damned thing for about five months. Some words that make sense, like "cr@ck", "sm@ck", "her0in", "c0caine", et cetera, are also blocked, but those I can understand. I got a new one. Myself and my two newest proteges were walking from our home (yes, once again, I live in a shelter for the housing-challenged) into the nearby town, and this is how it went. There's me, a six-foot-two 18-year-old white guy with a bad temper wearing black workout pants, black shoes, a black tanktop, and a black button-down over it. There's a five-foot-seven black kid, 12 years old, wearing a black shirt and blue jeans, and his half-brother, a 14-year-old six-foot white kid wearing a black tank, blue jeans, and my trenchcoat. We were getting really odd looks from a lot of people, and when I went into my bank, I had the others stay outside. Hell, one guy actually called us "terr0rists". This was as he was driving away in his truck, of course. No one's afraid of another Columbine, but they're afraid of another London or New York City...and because of that, every kid who wears a trenchcoat just because he enjoys it is subject to ridicule. We saw a few teens in the park on the way back...and I was hoping one of them would start sh*t with me. I'm a street fighter, and as I believe I've mentioned, I have no remorse. But, I have gone on too long. I'll come back. Later, everyone.
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:18 am
While I agree that stereotypes are useful in communication, I also think that, in part, they were created so that the mind doesn't have to worry about any and all variables that come with individual people/items/objects, resulting in a mindmelt.
To go with the individual example; Considering the amount of individuals that exist on this earth, and the limited amount a person meets in their lifetime, it's apparently of use to us stereotype those that are similar than it is to view them all as unknown individuals.
Labelling is a way to define something unknown. By defining it, you make it 'known' (or at least, tell yourself that, but hey..). If it's known, it's not a threat. Or at least not one you can't take precautions to that you perceive as appropriate.
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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:01 am
Maze While I agree that stereotypes are useful in communication, I also think that, in part, they were created so that the mind doesn't have to worry about any and all variables that come with individual people/items/objects, resulting in a mindmelt. To go with the individual example; Considering the amount of individuals that exist on this earth, and the limited amount a person meets in their lifetime, it's apparently of use to us stereotype those that are similar than it is to view them all as unknown individuals. Labelling is a way to define something unknown. By defining it, you make it 'known' (or at least, tell yourself that, but hey..). If it's known, it's not a threat. Or at least not one you can't take precautions to that you perceive as appropriate. The only stereotype I consciously follow is that of "human".
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