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Vajra B. Hairava

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:20 pm


Alright, its officially Latin. I can teach this if there is nobody else. I know Hermoine also is learning Latin, but she is rather busy it seems. But, I think that it shouldn't matter if we both do together teach, so of course she is welcome to woggle on in and do some teacher-ing.

And of course, if there is anybody that I don't know in here that happens to be really good/better than either of us at Latin, they may take over.

I guess I'll post a pronunciation and writing guide tomorrow or tonight if I'm bored, since that is something that no matter who teaches, they will go over anyways.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:39 am


I said I could do it now. gonk I was just making sure something else didn't win instead. It's wasn't that I was busy, I babysit from 7.30 to 16.30 sometimes 17.30, but I have enough time at night, especially this week and maybe next week; it was my internet, my mom hadn't paid it on time.

You've already taught something here so give me a chance to do it myself first.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:56 am


Of course pronunciation is always first. The first few lessons I am copying from my other lesson and revising them. I will only be teaching Church pronunciation because I have found that Classical pronunciation may have some flaws in the way it is thought to have been.

prima schola: pronuntiatio

  Latin pronunciation is pretty easy compared to English. There are two different pronunciation systems; one is the Church's pronunciation, the other is supposedly Classical pronunciation, or the pronunciation of the Romans. Personally, I think the Classical system is made up because people didn't want to speak as we Catholics do. The Church's pronunciation system just sounds more correct with all the English words we tend to make with Latin.

The Church's pronunciation system is a lot like Italian pronunciation.
Vowels
In Ecclesiastical Latin, there are only five vowels, all long.
a=as in father
e=as in they
i=as in machine
o=as in mobile
u/v=as in moon. In Roman times v was also used for the vowel u, but to make things simpler it has been replaced with a u in most of today's texts.
Consonants
Some consonants are sometimes the same as in English, but they change in certain places. B, d, f, k, l, m, n, and v are always as in English. Originally j, w, y, and z did not exist. Y and z were introduced during the Roman Empire and j was much more recently introduced. You still do not see w except in the book Winnie Ille Pu (Which should be pronounced Vinne Ille Pu).
c=sounds like ch before e, i, ae, and k before everything else
ch=took place of the Greek letter chi (Χ). block head. In modern Latin it is pronounced this way.
g=soft before e, i, ae, but hard before everything else
gn=like Spanish ñ (ny) lasagna
j/i=y before a vowel at the beginning and in the middle of words. At the end is pronounced like i. (modern texts use j but older texts use i [only pertains to y sound])
ph=took the place of the Greek letter phi (Φ). f
qu=kw
r=trilled like a Scottish r
s=always s, never z
sc=sounds like a cross between s+the ch as in English and sh before e, i, and ae.
th=took the place of the Greek letter theta (θ). th
ti=tsee before a vowel
x=ks never gz
Diphthongs
ae/æ=like e above they
au=like the ou in house
ei=like the ei in reign
oe/œ=like the oi in oil

In double consonants, both of the letters are pronounced.

You hardly ever see anything capitalized even at the beginning of a sentence. Usually just names.

Syllables
In Latin, there are as many syllables as there are vowels in the word. How the syllables are broken down are as follows:

1. Two contiguous vowels or vowels and diphthongs are separated: dea-de•a; deae-de•ae
2. A single consonant between vowels goes with the second vowel: amicus-a•mi•cus
3. When two or more consonants come between two vowels only the last consonant goes with the second vowel: servare-ser•va•re; consumptus- con•sump•tus Exceptions: A stop (p, b, t, d, c, g) + a liquid (l, r) generally count as one consonant: patrem-pa•trem Other single consonants are qu, ch, ph, and th.

(Syllable explanation from Wheelock's Latin 6th edition)
PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:18 am


secunda schola: verbi

  The word verb comes from the Latin verbum-word. The verb can be considered the most important part of a Latin sentence. For this reason we will be studying a part of it first.

Conjugation (coniugare-join together)
  Latin conjugation is pretty regular especially with the first two conjugations. There are four in all plus irregulars. To conjugate a verb in English you would add a pronoun to it and possibly change the verb itself in one or two persons.
  So it ends up looking like this: (I'll use the verb praise.)

  Singular  Plural
1st I praise   We praise
2nd You praise  Y'all praise
3rd S/he/it praises They praise

  Because of this, using just the verb makes it impossible to know who did the action because the verb itself remains the same most of the time. In Latin, the pronoun is added to the end of the verb and is called a personal ending.
  They are:
 Singular Plural
1st -o/-m  -mus
2nd -s   -tis
3rd -t   -nt

Present
  Each verb has four principle parts. Take these model verbs for example: laudo, laudare, laudavi, laudatum-to praise and moneo, monere, monui, monitum-to warn. The infinitive of the first and second conjugations are laudare and monere. The first ending, -are defines a verb as being in the first conjugation and the second ending, -ere, defines a verb as being in the second. The infinitive form, unlike many languages, is not always in the dictionary. The first person singular is always there, which for these two verbs are laudo and moneo then will have a number to tell you which conjugation the verb is in. Some dictionaries with give you all four parts. I currently do not know what the other two parts are, but when I find out I will add them to the lesson I learn them in.
  To change the infinitive to the imperative or indicative forms, you drop the -re and you have the imperative, then add the personal ending for an indicative form. When talking to more than one person with the imperative form you add -te. lauda-praise (one person) laudate-praise (more than one person) mone-advise (one person) monete-advise (more than one person)

  The Latin present indicative form can be translated into all forms of an English verbs, meaning simple, progressive, and emphatic forms. So translating these two verbs into English could look like:

laudare-to praise
Singular
laudo-I praise, I am praising, I do praise
laudas-You praise, you are praising, you do praise
laudat-he praise, she is praising, it does praise
Plural
laudamus-We praise, we are praising, we do praise
laudatis-Y'all praise, y'all are praising, y'all do praise
laudant-They praise, they are praising, they do praise

monere-to advise
Singular
moneo-I advise, I am advising, I do advise
mones-You advise, you are advising, you do advise
monet-he advises, she is advising, it does advise
Plural
monemus-We advise, we are advising, we do advise
monetis-Y'all advise, y'all are advising, y'all do advise
monent-They advise, they are advising, they do advise

One last example:
amare-to love
Singular
ama-love (commanding one person to love)
amo-I love
amas-You love
amat-S/he/it loves
Plural
amate-love (commanding more than one person to love)
amamus-We love
amatis-Y'all love
amant-They love

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Vajra B. Hairava

PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:18 am


You better teach the declensions. It always annoyed me how you seemed to ignore them, and they are pretty darn useful.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:33 am


I haven't gotten around to making the lessons on nouns yet.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:53 pm


Oh... Well, do it eventually, or I'll have to do it for you!
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:04 pm


POST MOAR.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:14 pm


Tomorrow or Saturday. Maybe tonight if my shower wakes me up enough. I woke up with a stomach ache last night, a very painful one, then got up early to separate my bank account from my parents so my mom could stop taking my money. I'm really tired...

EDIT: If it's not up by Saturday 22.00, yell at me.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:00 pm


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POST MOAR.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:49 pm


It might also be good to introduce cases. My brain is dead right now, so I'm not sure if cases are the same thing as declensions....but if they are, please tell me.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:14 pm


Yes they are. Sorry, I had to go babysit again tonight so I'll try to get a lesson up before I go to bed or tomorrow.

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Vajra B. Hairava

PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:26 pm


Kumiko-Misaki
It might also be good to introduce cases. My brain is dead right now, so I'm not sure if cases are the same thing as declensions....but if they are, please tell me.


I'm pretty sure that the declensions are what determine the case. So yeah, you are right.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:24 pm


I'm sorry. I was having a very bad day today. I promise it'll be up tomorrow. xp

EDIT July 10: GAH! gonk It's been a bad week so far. First I had such a bad day on Sunday, then the internet was down for a while. I'll get it up after I look around for new posts.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:27 pm


*skims through thread* Cool! Latin's a fun language. heart

I didn't notice this forum was in this guild at all.... redface I was wondering what everyone did after the language of the month elections, but I finally get it now. *is slow* sweatdrop
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