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DM_Melkhar
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:17 am


Whenever we think of fantasy, we tend to put it with a historic setting. Fantasy set in the future is not considered to be fantasy at all. It's called science-fiction. The fantasy genre, I would say, is 90% made up of medieval settings. I personally wouldn't call most of Anne McCaffrey's work fantasy even though it includes dragons; I'd call it science-fiction because there are so many futuristic elements in it - including computerised Artificial Intelligence.

My world is set between the medieval times and renaissance, but more so on the renaissance side of things. Either way it's still a historical setting. I wouldn't call Final Fantasy VII or VIII fantasy really. Yes there are fantasy elements, but there's also a lot of science-fiction involved.

People say "fantasy can be what you want it to be", but where would you separate it from science-fiction and reality?

I personally think that fantasy will always be suited to a historical setting, and never modern or futuristic.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:00 pm


Star light, Star bright, The first star I see tonight....

I'd have to agree on that. Fantasy works much better in history than it does in the future for me. Mostly because I feel that you can't have some things in the future because technology replaces it. xd
...I wish I may, I wish I might, Have the wish I wish tonight.

FrustratedPython


DM_Melkhar
Captain

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:05 pm


Although advanced ancient technology seems to work great, ie: warp gates, and magic etc.

It's late at the moment and my brain just won't let me write a more in-depth reply at the moment. It's 11pm and I'm starting to need less demanding entertainment, heh...
sweatdrop
PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:01 am


I think fantasy can exist in all settings in time, not just the past, although the past lends itself well to fantasy because people in the past were more superstitious. Ancient beliefs about magic, monsters, and dragons, when portrayed as real is instant fantasy. But fantasy can also be in both modern and future times too, I believe, when fantastic elements are involved. A story about a secret society of vampires in New York City, or warewolves terrorizing Paris could be considered fantasy. In modern and futuristic fantasy, the fantasy elements often have to compete with technology, both figuratively and literally. Some good examples are the old TV cartoon Gargoyles, and certain anime like Rayearth or Escaflowne. In the future fantasy can still take place, such as in Star Wars where they had the force.

SirKirbance


Miluifaer

PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:31 pm


I agree that fantasy tends toward historic settings. I actually see all genres as sub-genres of science fiction, though. Science fiction literally has no restraints. All other genres have certain elements that defines what fits into them. It is fantastical elements that put the work into the fantasy category.

I think it is just easy to replace fantasy elements with technology, which can take the story out of the fantasy genre as a result. So it is easier to write fantasy stories in historical contexts, where there is less developed technology to work around.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:30 pm


well, Sci-Fi and Fantasy are alittle simmular but are diffrent.

Sci-fi is like fantasy but insted of witches/dragons/swords/etc, you have guns/planets/modern stuff/and other stuff that mashes with reality and fantasy. But you CAN add somthing else.

Fantasy is anything you can think of without scince stuff (or less).


I do agree that fantasy tends to be twards midevil ages because of the myths and legends that were told in that age that made it so great and there wasn't a way to prove if that was real or not. So most fantasy settings mostly set up here. There are games like Kingdom Hearts 1/2 that seem Sci-Fi but it mostly never speeks about sci-fi stuff and mostly fantasy.


So yea, Fantasy is mostly set in a midevil setting.

Juliusanime


DM_Melkhar
Captain

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:03 am


Science fiction does have limits (referring to Miluifaer's post). In science fiction, the setting is usually futuristic. This means you work with current technology and update it, guessing where it would be in the future. With the technology we have now, starships aren't feasible yet but ideas for them are being worked on.

Fantasy is the genre that has no limits. You can create anything, whether it be realistic or not and get away with it.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:30 pm


Are they good together, yes. Are they necessary, not so much.

While I do feel that Fantasy placed in it's traditional medieval setting is still a working medium. I also believe that we can't keep fantasy in the past. Just as we will progress towards the future so will Middle-Earth, and Pern.

The first and still most prominent example of a well blending of fantasy and science fiction is Star Wars. The elements of the story ranging from fantastic races, to inter stellar travel keep us from becoming dependant on a single time or place. That dosen't take away from knights or pirates it simply adds to them. It gives us a larger canvas to work with.

Still I do appreciate fantasy set in the past, but don't believe that the limiting factor of time should still be acknowledged in a world where the opportunity for originality is slowly shrinking.

So would I say they're a perfect match, not like peanut butter and jelly, but they are still appreciated.

Now the question of History comes into play. History is a recording of events. Do I feel that History is important to fantasy YES. It is important to anyone looking to create a believable world to have a recorded history of what is happening. I personaly record a master time line from the creation, and then separate time lines for each race, and in some cases time lines for cities or countries, or even for characters. There is a difference in having a history and having a story set in the past. Two separate questions to which my answers vary.

Science Fiction is a branch of Fantasy. A diffrent chapter rather than a diffrent book. I'm not here to hear further arguments on the subject from the stubborn fantasy fans here.

Goodnight and Good luck

Widigo

Widigo


DM_Melkhar
Captain

PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:14 pm


Science fiction is the futuristic branch of fantasy. The races in Star Wars would be considered as "aliens" to 9 out of every 10 people.

The word alien actually means "foreigner" though, and not "extra-terrestrial". It seems the word has been wrongly used for years. Fantasy alone for most people will forever remain with the historical kind of setting.
PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:40 pm


DM_Melkhar
Science fiction is the futuristic branch of fantasy. The races in Star Wars would be considered as "aliens" to 9 out of every 10 people.

The word alien actually means "foreigner" though, and not "extra-terrestrial". It seems the word has been wrongly used for years. Fantasy alone for most people will forever remain with the historical kind of setting.


I must be the only one who finds elves rather foreign, and I never said that I didn't support medieval fantasy. I actually have a lot of it. I try to avoid big castles and knights because they are so over used, but the most tech you will see in most places is steam driven. You may see some areas that have electricity but it's always generator fed and mundane at it's best. I find it difficult to bother with lasers and whatnot because I don't care to learn how they work and I would hate to describe it wrong.

and I want you to know that my name's DaCoda. I want you to recognise my books when I change the perception of fantasy.

Widigo


DM_Melkhar
Captain

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:00 am


Widigo
and I want you to know that my name's DaCoda. I want you to recognise my books when I change the perception of fantasy.

I am intent on doing the same thing as you DaCoda. You go do it in your region of the world and I'll do it in mine. My perception of fantasy is much different from the norm.

And no offence, but regarding your thread in the Writer's Circle, that does come across as one blowing one's own trumpet.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:32 pm


I will need to review my thread, I must have missed the precession of brass instruments.

Widigo


DM_Melkhar
Captain

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:14 am


I don't want to sound patronising, but you do know what that particular phrase means don't you?

Your quote...


Widigo
and I want you to know that my name's DaCoda. I want you to recognise my books when I change the perception of fantasy.

It was with regards to this quote that I made reference to the other thread in the Writer's Circle.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:31 am


When you said "In the Writer's Circle" I assumed you were referencing my personal writing thread. As it was the one I had posted most recently in.

To blow ones own trumpet is a saying that is believed to have originated in the late 1500s and means to brag about one's self.

and Yes I looked it up just to make sure there weren't multiple meanings.

I'm not bragging about anything. Is it bragging for a painter to say they will paint pictures, or for a singer to sing songs. I see no reason why it would be bragging for a writer to say they will produce books.

Widigo


DM_Melkhar
Captain

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:18 pm


I'm not personally saying you were, but the way you phrased that post could be construed as that by some people.
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