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 Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:10 pm
Many Christians do not believe in the supernatural. So I am coming to you GSG, what do you feel on this subject? Are you a Christian and still believe in the supernatural? Are Christians being blind to the supernatural? Why do you think many seem to think the supernatural does not exsist and so on? Debate away 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:09 am
My boyfriend is a quantum catholicist and identifies with many of the hermetic and qabbalistic teachings. He is supportive of my lifestyle as an occultist and sort-of identifies himself as one, as well.
My mother is a liberal Methodist and believes in spirits, but doesn't dabble or try to make contact with them. She doesn't like divination because she claims it is proclaimed against in the Bible. I could try to argue with her that those rules are listed in the Old Testament and refers to Jews not participating in such activities, and in the New Testament, Jesus says somewhere that "Do not make unclean that which I have made clean." That passage is in referrence to food, I think, but the impliance is making something a taboo, so I think it applies.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:51 pm
Heh, my mom used to be Catholic and played with a Ouija board (with a homicidal spirit at that eek ) in her younger years with some of her friends. I'm not a Catholic, and I've kinda "converted" my mother; she takes me to a pagan crystal shop and yoga class, even. My dad's a bit more devout, but hasn't harped on us about it.
Admittedly, old-day Christians were also completely paranoid about the supernatural. There were several witch trials, and hoorah, the fear and slaying of the "demonic" creatures called cats helped spread the bubonic plague. rolleyes I wouldn't call them blind so much as "uneducated" concerning the supernatural, especially recently. Who hasn't at least heard of shows like "X-Files" and "Heroes?" And all those superhero and fantasy movies coming out? There's no way to be completely oblivious.
This is kinda the nature of the religion; remember, Christianity isn't so accepting of polytheistic religions like the Romans were. It was more like an "I'm right, you're wrong, so bow to our god" mentality way back when.
As another direction to take, Christianity seems to have interesting views on cryptoids. Take dragons, for example (FYI, I use dragons as examples a lot) : A man who slays the demonic, vile, man-eating beast is not only rewarded with a delightful princess, but in some cases (i.e. St. George) is canonized for slaying a "satanic" creature that was probably minding its own beeswax.
Now, I realize that this is in connection with the serpent being a bad animal, but satyrs (yeah, the happy goat-people from Greek mythology) don't have it so hot, either. Nor do manticores, centaurs, and, of course, the three-headed dog Kerberos.
Whew. Lots to say in my little rant, there! Sorry if I offended anyone; it's just my perspective.
redface
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:04 pm
I alway find it highly amusing that some Christians will poo-poo any sort of supernatural proof but you show them a photo of a white misty figure in a church or floating over something and they all start saying 'It's an Angel!', 'It's proof God is really!'.
We just had a case like this near the Thames. There's meant to be an 'Angel' that appear over it sometime and someone got a photo of a white misty figure of it so the Church claimed it was an Angel.
Ok It might have been but I still find it amusing that angels are the only part of the supernatural thing some Christians believe in.
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:00 am
Dazzler I alway find it highly amusing that some Christians will poo-poo any sort of supernatural proof but you show them a photo of a white misty figure in a church or floating over something and they all start saying 'It's an Angel!', 'It's proof God is really!'. We just had a case like this near the Thames. There's meant to be an 'Angel' that appear over it sometime and someone got a photo of a white misty figure of it so the Church claimed it was an Angel. Ok It might have been but I still find it amusing that angels are the only part of the supernatural thing some Christians believe in. and the resurection of christ. but my mother was a christian and she was the one that got me into the occult. the rest of my family thinks im a bit off my rocker though, the american side at least. my mothers family arent so much christian anymore, so they support my obsession ^-^
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:36 am
I'm a Catholic and found that my church's teachings allow me to believe in the supernatal. There is no doubt that Catholics believe in demons. (we have rituals for exorsisms of many kinds). I was told by my priest (who actually preformed an exorsism) to never play on a ouji board because it is like waving a road sign for nasty things that want to posess you.
Maybe my parish is a little more liberal than those who said they were Catholic and were chastised for believing in the supernatural. However, it is because of my religion that I'm able to believe in the supernatural.
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:41 am
Maiden-Ishbal375 I'm a Catholic and found that my church's teachings allow me to believe in the supernatal. There is no doubt that Catholics believe in demons. (we have rituals for exorsisms of many kinds). I was told by my priest (who actually preformed an exorsism) to never play on a ouji board because it is like waving a road sign for nasty things that want to posess you. Maybe my parish is a little more liberal than those who said they were Catholic and were chastised for believing in the supernatural. However, it is because of my religion that I'm able to believe in the supernatural. I dislike even being near ouji boards. My mother's parents had one (not sure what happened to it) but it bothered me. It wasn't even my parish's teachings. I just got bad vibes from it. Plus I haven't seen it in at least 10 years and I know my youngest cousin would have asked about it if she found it (6 years younger than me).
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:54 am
Maiden-Ishbal375 I'm a Catholic and found that my church's teachings allow me to believe in the supernatal. There is no doubt that Catholics believe in demons. (we have rituals for exorsisms of many kinds). I was told by my priest (who actually preformed an exorsism) to never play on a ouji board because it is like waving a road sign for nasty things that want to posess you. Maybe my parish is a little more liberal than those who said they were Catholic and were chastised for believing in the supernatural. However, it is because of my religion that I'm able to believe in the supernatural. Your priest has preformed an exorsism?! That's pretty rare now adays. He must be pretty high up or old. I now in England there are only about 20 Priests that can say they can perform an exorsism successerily. I know the basics but have no training as a priest so wouldn't even try it.
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:14 pm
I'm heavily into my beliefs of Christianity and God, but I have never let my beliefs with religion get in the way of my beliefs in the supernatural. Sure, sometimes it may make me look like a hypocrite, but I have my own way of making sense out of both things when they clash.
Such as spirits. Although I don't believe in spirits not going to heaven and roaming around the world to haunt things or wait until they are let into heaven, I do believe in spirits visiting from heaven to view their place of death, their family and so on.
My wife on the other hand... She's pretty hard to convince. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:30 am
Well with catholics theyv got no choice to beleive in the supernatural. For instance "the holy ghost", it may be holy, but its still a ghost and ghosts are counted as being supernatural. JESUS TURNED WATER INTO WINE, i mean come one, if that aint supernatural ( and a cheap way to get drunk) i dunno what is. Jesus turned into a ghost (resurected). Also they where in fear of witches, which means they beleived they existed and tried to kill them off with all the witch burnings. Catholics deny they beleive in the supernatural becase to them it sounds kinda evil i guess. Kinda silly but most of em should wake up and see what their whole religion is based on....ghosts and spirits.
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:51 pm
To say the 'holy ghost' is a ghost is kind of an insult to the spirit. It's more like an essence of Christ. It's the best way to put it. Still, I am a non denomination Christian, raised Church of Christ, turned baptisted, fell away and then became Non Denom. Right now, i'm wrestling with it. Three years ago, I dont know- I was a cook i guess you could say. But now I approach things calmly Ghost Hunter's style. I don't believe in coinsdences. I don't think that tthings can just 'happen.' I believe there are supernatural forces out there. Just as I believe the devil and hell are real and that his minions are working threw out the earth, you also have to believe that the Angels of God are too. Now given the fact that you believe any of this is real at all you have to assume that there is more than meets the eyes and if this real, what multitude are we talking about? There's a preacher that preaches fantastically about Spiritual Warfare, (Pastor Duane Sheriff) He has come the closest if not over powered every thing I have ever thought but we have to take into consideration there is so much that we will never know. There's also the thought of- Is it really just fun to believe in and do we want ourselves to believe in it? There's too many factors to truly debate such an issue. Christians aren't blind- there afraid. They are also not properly equipped to handle Spiritual Warfare on the supernatural side, and on the physical side. I know this subject isnt about SW but it falls along with it. What creatures can we trust- what can we not? Is it something we even need to mess with? WIll these answers ever be found? Perhaps we lost the chance a long time ago- or perhaps when we learn to travel back in time we will figure out what is really going on. What is the most plausiable? There's dead people walking around- or that it's just our imagination? Even that leaves room for too much debate.
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 7:53 am
Ally_Os Many Christians do not believe in the supernatural. So I am coming to you GSG, what do you feel on this subject? Are you a Christian and still believe in the supernatural? Are Christians being blind to the supernatural? Why do you think many seem to think the supernatural does not exsist and so on? Debate away 3nodding im christiain and i love suernateral. im really in to the unknown so i might be the only one or something.
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:11 pm
I'm a catholic whos mother was really close to becoming a Nun. infact I wanted a silver cross necklace and she didn't want to buy me one at the time, and gave me this BIG Crucifix like the kind a a Vampire slayer uses.
Anyway, I would Agree that christians are more encouraged to supernatural stuff. Really and truly I know many peoplem in my church who are truly devout and study the theology which when I glimpsed at went over the study of demons. One of the more interesting stories in the bible is when Jesus Excorcised many demons (Legion) from a single man and into a heard of pigs.
Theirs the entire fact that he can perfom miracles of healing, there is a TALKING Burning bush which speaks to Moses, who later performs what could best be explained as magic.
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:56 am
Well, not all Christians think that the supernatural/paranormal is automatically evil. As a Catholic, I do believe in different forms of the supernatural/paranormal and I always try to look for other reasons for a certain phenomena.
In the end, for many, many Christians this whole thing goes back to the ancient pagan traditions where beliefs in the supernatural played a role in their daily lives.
Second, this doesn't only affect the Christian religion either so let's keep that mind too. And probably the main reason why a lot of people (Christians and non-Christians) feel this way is because they've never faced the supernatural before. They don't understand the 'other side'.
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:14 pm
I am a Catholic Christian and believe in the supernatural do to the odd occurrences that happen daily during my life. Though being Catholic I believe in other gods such as the pre-Christian deities of Ireland, Britain, and Continental Europe along with the Hindu and Buddhist gods though God is the god of all gods. (I believe this phrase is used in the Bible somewhere...)
I also believe in ghosts, demons, fairies (especially), and angels; also that the Grim Reaper has a heavy British accent.
My belief in the other gods and of fairies and magic is brought to me by the stories of the Saint going through the Isles and meeting such creatures. (Such as Patrick and Crom Cruaich/Dubh, some other saint and Myrddin Wylt...)
Even today Irish priests and mediums come in contact with the Good People.
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