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Sir Regulus Lyonhart Crew
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 Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:30 pm
This is a little discussion as to your view on steampunk and how it might apply to you.
What I mean by "more steam, or more punk", is quite simple. Do you view steampunk, or rather your version of steampunk as more of a delving into the historical aspects of the matter, or more of a modern theme with antiquarian tones?
As for me, I'm afraid I'm quite a bit more "steam" than I am "punk". I am enamored with history. Recently I became more acquainted with the more recent events in what we consider to be ancient history, such as post-renaissance European and American history, all the way up until around the 1930's. I am still quite new to the subject, but when I think of myself, I feel I am more attuned with the quondam, than with the nonce.
For instance, I would never wear a mohawk, I only dye my hair natural colors (by intent), my ears disdain being pierced, I am not much one for heavy jewelry of any kind, I like my clothes to be tidy, and I don't do many "punk-ish" things, akin to smoking, vandalism, using excessive amounts of portable electronic technology, and doing anything that would cause most of society to manifest a poor view towards.
That said, I have no qualms regarding dressing up in earthy tones with a sort of archaic theme, and meandering about in public as the multitude would set about resting their skeptical orbs upon me. And though my ears do not like being pierced, I have made a compromise wearing ear wraps and cuffs which do not require piercing, and wearing various alternative arm decor, and rather flashy belts.
So what about the rest of you. "Punk" over "Steam" or "Steam" over "Punk"?
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:03 pm
im more steam then punk, only punkish about me is prop some taste in punk music. i like steam tec.
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:35 pm
KumaBlind This is a little discussion as to your view on steampunk and how it might apply to you.
What I mean by "more steam, or more punk", is quite simple. Do you view steampunk, or rather your version of steampunk as more of a delving into the historical aspects of the matter, or more of a modern theme with antiquarian tones?
As for me, I'm afraid I'm quite a bit more "steam" than I am "punk". I am enamored with history. Recently I became more acquainted with the more recent events in what we consider to be ancient history, such as post-renaissance European and American history, all the way up until around the 1930's. I am still quite new to the subject, but when I think of myself, I feel I am more attuned with the quondam, than with the nonce.
For instance, I would never wear a mohawk, I only dye my hair natural colors (by intent), my ears disdain being pierced, I am not much one for heavy jewelry of any kind, I like my clothes to be tidy, and I don't do many "punk-ish" things, akin to smoking, vandalism, using excessive amounts of portable electronic technology, and doing anything that would cause most of society to manifest a poor view towards.
That said, I have no qualms regarding dressing up in earthy tones with a sort of archaic theme, and meandering about in public as the multitude would set about resting their skeptical orbs upon me. And though my ears do not like being pierced, I have made a compromise wearing ear wraps and cuffs which do not require piercing, and wearing various alternative arm decor, and rather flashy belts.
So what about the rest of you. "Punk" over "Steam" or "Steam" over "Punk"? Very well said good sir! You seem to be of much the same opinion and habits as I am towards steampunk. I feel me interests lie (and, I can only assume mind, the same goes for most people nowadays) far more with the steam than with punk. In my view, steampunk does not have to be punk (see more discussion on a similar vein in my last post on the Is Steampunk a Subculture thread), it has evolved since them. I have no objections to some people still having the punkish elemants, but it is no longer necessary.
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:57 pm
One must remember how the term came to being...not to describe music as punk might, but rather simply as a somewhat irnoic name for the genre of books (see wiki)
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Sir Regulus Lyonhart Crew
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:44 pm
To the illustrious Guild Master, Vanghar: I agree most whole-heartedly. I think that though it is nice to see each person's expression of "steampunk" that it does not necessarily have to fill a set of strict guidelines in regards to how it should be expressed.
To My Dear Good Sir, Imber: I am quite aware of the general meaning of steampunk as applied to its earliest uses, however, reading into such things as "SteamPunk Magazine", and the different guidelines they have set for fashion made me wary as to whether or not steampunk is open to free manifestation, or is rather a tight-wad community of, and excuse me for saying, stuck-up teenagers bent on discovering their individuality by conforming to another set of rules set by an even smaller group in society. For the article I am referring to in "SteamPunk Magazine", it is in issue II, somewhere around the first half of the text.
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:37 pm
I find it to be more to be steam since thats what makes "SteamPunk" the term which is derived from "CyberPunk"
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:11 am
KumaBlind To the illustrious Guild Master, Vanghar: I agree most whole-heartedly. I think that though it is nice to see each person's expression of "steampunk" that it does not necessarily have to fill a set of strict guidelines in regards to how it should be expressed. To My Dear Good Sir, Imber: I am quite aware of the general meaning of steampunk as applied to its earliest uses, however, reading into such things as "SteamPunk Magazine", and the different guidelines they have set for fashion made me wary as to whether or not steampunk is open to free manifestation, or is rather a tight-wad community of, and excuse me for saying, stuck-up teenagers bent on discovering their individuality by conforming to another set of rules set by an even smaller group in society. For the article I am referring to in "SteamPunk Magazine", it is in issue II, somewhere around the first half of the text. Well yes indeed, but it is always good to remember one's beginnings and roots as it were, so that you don't lose that and become what Vanghar once described as "a generation of half-baked wanna-bes".
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:13 pm
I'll have to admit, I'm more for the steam. Litteraly. Steam-powered machines fascinate me, and although I'm not very well versed on the topic, I do have a great enthusiasm for the era, it's history and so on so forth.
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High-functioning Werewolf
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:32 am
I'm trying to be more steam, but at this point, I'd have to say I'm more punk, simply because I've been on that scene for years, and I've only recently found myself growing out of it.
I did discover Steampunk through Cyber Goth, which I admit, I'm not quite ready to let go of (such lovely colors!), but I've always had a fascination with the Victorian era and the struggle of the common person in that time (newsboys, factory workers, etc), as well as the struggle of women, which was initially what attracted me to Steampunk, sort of the amalgamation of historical and futuristic appreciation.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:39 pm
I myself am more toward steam punk in fashion (wear a lot of browns and beige colors, just regular clothing though no special style) I'd go toward more of the techno and cyberpunk side if I had the fashion sense to not just look silly and the money. Music I'm more punk since I like more metal and rock. Though I do enjoy more classical and ballroom style music from time to time, but that tends to slide more toward goth really. As a whole culturally I prefer steam far more than punk. Steam power and machines and history are far more interesting than anything the punk culture has to offer. I love alternitive history and technology even if some of it(or most) is not really possible, which is exactly what steampunk is. The fact that steampunk started as subgenre for cyberpunk and I LOVE cyberpunk only makes it that much more attractive. I don't know if this counts as steam punk or not but it seems sorta steampunkish to Me. I've always been absolutely enthralled with the very odd and strange designs for machines(particularly airplanes and rockets) that the Germans were working on during world war 2, which have actual been the base for a lot of modern VTOL aircraft today, and again to Me anyway, a lot of the designs for steampunk machines seem similar to those old WWII designs that never got made. (disclaimer: I in no way approve or endorse what the Third Riech did during WWII whatever else My opinions of WWII are)
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:40 pm
wow that was really long winded, so in summery I'm more steam than punk, but in r/l I don't really have the fashion sense for either.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:14 pm
I tend to be more of a "Steamgoth" I have always been a fan of the Victorian (and Edwardian) history and culture, and always been a bit more on the dark side in my leanings (Taste in music, film, appearance, etc...) and So I have integrated my loves into the odd combination I am now.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:42 am
I'm a pretty heavy steam person. beacause, in my oppinion, doesn't 'Punk' give the idea of angst and rebellion? which I don't think Steampunk is really about. Perhaps a change of name is in order?
I'm not sure, maybe there's a different meaning I've missed but yeah, I'm pretty Steam: unhealthy love of all things history wise, goggles.... I'm set =3
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:19 pm
I'm afraid I don't much fit any of the above! I tend towards 1920's apparel common to American metropolises (because what we wore here in York, frankly, just doesn't do it for me... The Victorian look is marvelous, and I adore it. I just can't wear it. I fuss. I add steamy clocky elements where I can, though, so it ends up being some strange reinvention of both American and British fashions of the time, with some modern touches.
I really don't think I answered with any clarity, I'm sorry, luvs!
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:33 pm
I'm actually not really sure. If steam = authentic Victorian sort of inventing niftiness, and punk = sort of rebellious rejection of social norms, then I guess a little of both.
My thoughts can sort of be summed up with part of a discussion on another board, in which it was observed that a lot of kids wanting to be 'steampunk' probably couldn't hold still long enough or appreciate a formal tea party with others.
My idea relating to that is sort of "Well, I do love a nice social gathering, but why are we sitting around sipping tea when we can be having amazing steam-powered mechanical adventures!? Come on, let's go do something fantastic!" So I guess I'd appreciate the nice sort of formality and unhurried socialization of the Victorian era, but would also want to take advantage of the fact that in steampunk, these fantastic inventions and worlds can exist. Why anchor myself totally in reality when it's possible to do so much more? ^^
So... sort of half-and-half, I think. =D A more or less equal amount of both.
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