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I say this for the following reasons:

No. 1: Sex is probably more dangerous, on all levels. Although I am far too lazy to do out the math, 1 out of 5 women will contract HPV which can lead to cervical cancer. 40% of all cervical cancer patients do die. In addition, one has to deal with other STDs, which may not jeopardize life but can lead to a stipulation of one's life. Obviously, you would also be dealing with the AIDs epidemic, which would really complicate things as well.

But apart from this, I also must say:

No. 2: Find me women who actually aborted for their health who:
A - Were not told too or recommend to by their doctors.
B - Had no pre-existing health conditions where pregnancy would have further jeopardized their life.
C - Are, generally speaking (loosely speaking), typical, upstanding human beings.

Choicers make it sound as though the second abortion becomes illegal, women will be dying en masse from fatal pregnancies. But what I can't stand, even more, they again make it sound as though women are aborting for their health to begin with.

If I recall correctly, AGI does not list abortions for health as a significant reason of why women abort, for one. For two: many women have children to start a family. They either ignore or live beyond the risks involved. Women who choose to not abort, even if they do not want children, will do so out of a sense of duty, or maybe they are passive about having a child. In this case, they too look past their health either because they are apathetic or because they know that carrying the child to term (or attempting too) is more important or more right then aborting.

So I would seriously question anyone who brings forth the information on the dangers of pregnancy. As I said: find me someone who treats any pregnancy as a disease and feels abortion is their 'remedy'. It's bad enough you dehumanize the fetus, but you make pregnancy sound like an epidemic.

Oh and obviously:

No. 3: Abortion itself is unsafe. Perhaps not as much so, but still, unsafe.

And I'll lump in this last point:

No. 4:

I read that 1 in 100,000 pregnancies in first world countries end in fatality of the mother. This is unfortunate. But why, tell me, do you shove it in our faces when every four seconds a human being, important to us, is killed at the hands of their mother?

So I ask you, choicers, you ask us why we value the fetus over the mother (and we do not, read: equality), but I ask in reverse, why should we value the mother over the fetus?

Because the woman is more important than the fetus. Simple.

So I ask in turn; why are you a hypocrite?

Life for life, I would agree. But often, it is not Mother Vs. Child, it's Mother's time versus Fetus' life.

Being cryptic doesn't make you look any more intelligent.

You can start, for one, by telling me how i'm a hypocrite.

And I beg to differ. Everyone here knows i'm more sane. 3nodding

This may be irrelevant, but I'd like to mention that the ONLY case I know of personally of a woman dying in childbirth happened with NO warning signs at all. Her pregnancy was completely normal up until the birth itself. You cannot terminate EVERY pregnancy on the off-chance that a woman might die in childbirth. Pregnancies where there IS advance warning, yes. I would also like to point out, that like most advanced countries, our maternal deathrates are extremely low.

He's playing on the way you worded the title and twisting it around to mean something you didnt and never would intent it to. Childish. Immature. Redundent. Yeah, brining up the calim that a woman will die in pregnancy IS irrelevant when you look at the statistics, that dosnt mean we don't care.

Depends on the level of risk.

Peer: "EAT THIS CHEESECAKE!"
Zin: "Sure!" *scarfles*
Peer: "That could clog your arteries and kill you, you know."
Zin: "Meh..."

Peer: "DRIVE AT 70 MPH!"
Zin: "Okay..."
Peer: "Car accidents are the leading cause of death in the U.S."
Zin: "Um...can I wear my seatbelt?"

Peer: "JUMP OFF THE SEARS TOWER!"
Zin: "I'll take my chances with you, thnx."



rolleyes Nobody claimed that. Very few women have abortions because they'll die if they don't. How many cite the health risks of pregnancy as their primary reason for aborting? Wouldn't that sound better than "I just don't want to be pregnant" or even "I can't afford a baby?"