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 Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 2:07 pm
When people describe themselves, or others, as Ashkenazi, Sephardi, or Mizrahi, is it more proper to base these descriptions on their actual ethnicity, the type of Judaism practiced, or the ethnicity of their Jewish ancestors?
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 2:13 pm
they are like different costumes, but the differences are really only in like details nothign really big or major.
(dude i just sneeze liek 5 times at the same time as one.. I don't feel good confused )
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 2:19 pm
I think its an ethnic type thing as well as customs.
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 2:32 pm
I'm not saying that it's right to seprate Jews with these terms, but I do believe that these aforementioned terms (Ashkenazi, Sephardi, or Mizrahi) refer to the enthinictiy of you and your ancestors as well as ancestors. PErsonally, I am "Ashkenazi", However, I do not identify myself as Ashkenazic, I identify myself Jewish. That is the point I'm trying to stress here.
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 2:33 pm
Donovinhs Knight I think its an ethnic type thing as well as customs. To get a bit more specific, most of my bloodline is Puerto Rican, but my mother's side of the family came from the Germany-Russia area. We don't exactly practice any type of Judaism (we're pretty relaxed, and hell, my family doesn't even know what Ashkenazi refers to), so I don't practice Sephardi, or Ashkenazi, Judaism that I know of. Would I be considered Ashkenazi because of my mother's family's origins, or would I be considered Sephardi because of my ethnicity, or neither because we don't prescribe to the traditions of either group?
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 2:38 pm
Dis Domnu Donovinhs Knight I think its an ethnic type thing as well as customs. To get a bit more specific, most of my bloodline is Puerto Rican, but my mother's side of the family came from the Germany-Russia area. We don't exactly practice any type of Judaism (we're pretty relaxed, and hell, my family doesn't even know what Ashkenazi refers to), so I don't practice Sephardi, or Ashkenazi, Judaism that I know of. Would I be considered Ashkenazi because of my mother's family's origins, or would I be considered Sephardi because of my ethnicity, or neither because we don't prescribe to the traditions of either group? I think youd be considered Ashkenazi since stuff tends to be passed on through the mother.
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 2:45 pm
Right-o. Thanks.
Pocky, I understand what you're saying, and the reason I ask is because I know there are some differences in practice.
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 7:35 pm
Donovinhs Knight Dis Domnu Donovinhs Knight I think its an ethnic type thing as well as customs. To get a bit more specific, most of my bloodline is Puerto Rican, but my mother's side of the family came from the Germany-Russia area. We don't exactly practice any type of Judaism (we're pretty relaxed, and hell, my family doesn't even know what Ashkenazi refers to), so I don't practice Sephardi, or Ashkenazi, Judaism that I know of. Would I be considered Ashkenazi because of my mother's family's origins, or would I be considered Sephardi because of my ethnicity, or neither because we don't prescribe to the traditions of either group? I think youd be considered Ashkenazi since stuff tends to be passed on through the mother.[/quote if you are ashkenazi or sephardi is passed down through the father
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 2:29 pm
Dis Domnu Pocky, I understand what you're saying, and the reason I ask is because I know there are some differences in practice. Oh, I know, I wasn't trying to criticize or anything, I was trying to bring unity! Jews of the world, unite!
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 8:28 pm
shtolts tiger Donovinhs Knight Dis Domnu Donovinhs Knight I think its an ethnic type thing as well as customs. To get a bit more specific, most of my bloodline is Puerto Rican, but my mother's side of the family came from the Germany-Russia area. We don't exactly practice any type of Judaism (we're pretty relaxed, and hell, my family doesn't even know what Ashkenazi refers to), so I don't practice Sephardi, or Ashkenazi, Judaism that I know of. Would I be considered Ashkenazi because of my mother's family's origins, or would I be considered Sephardi because of my ethnicity, or neither because we don't prescribe to the traditions of either group? I think youd be considered Ashkenazi since stuff tends to be passed on through the mother. if you are ashkenazi or sephardi is passed down through the father Are you sure of this?
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 6:04 pm
Dis Domnu shtolts tiger Donovinhs Knight Dis Domnu Donovinhs Knight I think its an ethnic type thing as well as customs. To get a bit more specific, most of my bloodline is Puerto Rican, but my mother's side of the family came from the Germany-Russia area. We don't exactly practice any type of Judaism (we're pretty relaxed, and hell, my family doesn't even know what Ashkenazi refers to), so I don't practice Sephardi, or Ashkenazi, Judaism that I know of. Would I be considered Ashkenazi because of my mother's family's origins, or would I be considered Sephardi because of my ethnicity, or neither because we don't prescribe to the traditions of either group? I think youd be considered Ashkenazi since stuff tends to be passed on through the mother. if you are ashkenazi or sephardi is passed down through the father Are you sure of this? yes, it's through the father.
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:17 pm
nathan_ngl Dis Domnu shtolts tiger Donovinhs Knight Dis Domnu Donovinhs Knight I think its an ethnic type thing as well as customs. To get a bit more specific, most of my bloodline is Puerto Rican, but my mother's side of the family came from the Germany-Russia area. We don't exactly practice any type of Judaism (we're pretty relaxed, and hell, my family doesn't even know what Ashkenazi refers to), so I don't practice Sephardi, or Ashkenazi, Judaism that I know of. Would I be considered Ashkenazi because of my mother's family's origins, or would I be considered Sephardi because of my ethnicity, or neither because we don't prescribe to the traditions of either group? I think youd be considered Ashkenazi since stuff tends to be passed on through the mother. if you are ashkenazi or sephardi is passed down through the father Are you sure of this? yes, it's through the father. Does it matter if the father is Jewish, or not?
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 8:08 am
i think i'm ashkenazi. but my parents always believed that it went through the mother if youre jewish or not..
regardless, both my parents are jewish, and i still view those that werent born jewish, yet convert, as jewish as well. biggrin
is it true that the ashkenazi's and the sphardics have a different way of doing things such as praying?
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 3:03 pm
I think all of those play into it. Sephardic Jews have different customs (although my husband pronounces Hebrew with an Ashkenazi accent -- I don't know what's up with that except there must not have been many other Sephardi Jews in the specific Reform Temple he went to in California). Also, ethnicity matters but it's really wrapped up in your ancestry too. My husband's mother's family was from Spain, a really long time ago (like the 16th century), and they emigrated to Mexico, so they are pretty Sephardic. If someone emigrated from Germany to Mexico in the 16th century, and intermarried, I would consider them Sephardic as well. (Same for North Africa, etc.) But if one side of your family was Jewish and Germany and emigrated from Germany within the last 100 years to Puerto Rico, I don't think that really makes you Sephardic, although it's not like you're white either.
I wonder this sometimes when Ashkenazi men marry Chinese or Japanese women and have children (I know an Orthodox Jewish teenager who is half-Japanese from his mother's side -- she converted -- and Jewish on his father's side). I kind of hesitate at calling him and his mother Ashkenazi, but they are definitely Jewish.
I really don't understand the labels anyway. I mean, they aren't really helpful all of the time (but sometimes they can be helpful -- Sephardic Jews don't usually get genetic Ashkenazi diseases like Tay-Sachs, for example).
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 4:55 pm
Roothands: As far as I know, one half of my family came from the German-Russia area. That would be my mother's side of the family (the Jewish side). The other half of my family were either natives of Puerto Rico, or Mestizo, and came to America recently. I don't know their religion, never met 'em. I do know that if I didn't have Eller Danlos Syndrome I wouldn't look white.
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