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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 1:30 pm
Not related to abortion at all...
Let's think of the dimensions for a minute-
first dimension is a single point. no up, down, left, or right. it is a pinprick, infinitely small, which is not even on a plane.
Second dimension is height and width, it does have an up and a down, a left and a right. but it has no depth. no "forward" or "backward", if you will.
Third dimension has this forward and backward, it has three main directions- verticle, horizontal and depth, I forget if this direction has a name.
All three could be represented by paper. firstly, the paper set so that you can only see an infintely thin edge would be first. Set so that you could see the sheet as a sheet, with four ends, would be 2 dimensional. twist the paper, and you have three dimensions- the two visible from the sheet, and the third, which is the thin but existant edge of the paper.
And then, there is the fourth dimension. I believe that we are fourth-dimensional. We travel through time. I am not sure this means actual time travel, such as, in any direction through time. But perhaps it means that something stays constant and existant in time. That same sheet of twisted paper, for example, stays paper and stays solid for more than one base unit of whatever time may be made of.
In this way, it is impossible to imagine ANY other dimension truly. if you picture a point, it must be on a plane. therefore is is second dimensional. We are also unable of fathoming infinitely small objects. furthermore, it is impossible to witness anything which does not travel in or with time, because it is simply on a plane we cannot see. Nor can it ever witness us since we are on a higher plane of existence, if that makes sense.
Ok, now that that is out of the way, there are supposedly a whole crapton of dimensions. I want to say 250 something, but that may be related to the number of pokemon in some game somewhere... sweatdrop
I may also want to say infinite, or 9. confused
Regardless, it is pretty much determined that there are more dimensions.
how can we possibly know this? Wouldn't they be far to complex for us to imagine? do things actully exist? What other direction is there beyond time? Dothings in the fifth dimension see us in time as still, frozen images? Do I think too much? and finally, Where in the world is Carmen SanDiego?
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 5:06 pm
Actually you skipped dimension zero. The pinprick as you described (best described actually) is the 0 dimension as in it isn't defined as a certian size or girth in any way possible, so it is both infinite as it itself is the only object and non-existent as it cannot be defined.
1st is a line
2nd is the plane
3rd is area
4th is time
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 5:20 pm
And is there a name or destription for the fifth? How could we ever know what it is, since we cannot possibly undersand it? It's like... trying to think of a new color. It can't be done because we cannot fathom something so impossibly unknown.
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 5:27 pm
divineseraph And is there a name or destription for the fifth? How could we ever know what it is, since we cannot possibly undersand it? It's like... trying to think of a new color. It can't be done because we cannot fathom something so impossibly unknown. Well we must also realize these are man made ideals about time and space around us. And I personally believe once we master time (IE the 4th dimension) the 5th will become relevant to our eyes.
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 6:11 pm
I have my own personaly theory about the fifthdimension...Simply put, its all of the above, but with an absence of relevent time. If we could at one point controle time, things would still move, but it would then be errelavent, as we can then controle it.
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 8:39 pm
Let me eat a few plants, then get back to you on this.
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 4:59 am
Hmmmm... Pyro's post sounds interesting... aside from the controling time thing, I'm not so sure...But it did spark an idea- moving in any direction through time... perhaps even, if you think of time as forawrd and back, up and down and diagonal through time. Of course, being human it is impossible for me to imagine what would be happening now, but on an "upward" level of time...
And likely, to fifth-dimensional matter, if that idea stands true, time is simply another way to move. You can take a hike to 1978 and then meander on over to 297 BC and jog on up to 2027 for lunch. All of it would probably appear to be still images if one stood still in time, much like walking in a forest... when you stop, the trees don't continue moving around you.
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 9:45 am
La Veuve Zin Let me eat a few plants, then get back to you on this.[/quote OMG! Plant murdrer! Plants give of electro pulses that resemble emotions too you know! mad Hey Devine? Ever see that one episode of ST: TNG where this one guy shows up on the entireprise and does somethign to the warp drive and they jump so far is carried them to a place where every thing you imagine is real? Yet that thought seems to have emotions and a mind of its own?
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 11:58 am
No... Not much of a trekkie... I do like to ponder wierd things like physics and chemistry stuff though... xd
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 12:12 pm
Computers can deal with as many dimensions as you ask them to.
The three dimensions we see are are only a few of a multitude of dimensions. Time is often called the "fourth dimension", but doesn't act like one from our perspective (in that, we can only move one way through time, but we can move any possible way through all of the others).
It's hard, for me, to separate the visual dimensions we see (which are most likely just constructs of our minds and may be nothing like what actual exists) and the concept of all dimensions just as dimensions.
Computers have it easy. No outside perception to interfere with the processing. *wink*
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 3:51 pm
But what is it that they can compute? What of these dimensions can be discerned?
And I thought- could it be possible that there are half-dimensional things, like things that can only move in certain directions? Or perhaps that is what it is with time- Maybe moving backwards in time would the the fifth, as it is a new direction opposed to the four we exist in- verticle, horizontal, outward and forward through time. So then what could the next one be? Perhaps it is multiple layers of something, where two things could exist in the same place at the same time but on different layers, somehow, due to differing layers of existence?
I don't know, just a thought. a bit far out there, i admit, but how do the physicists figure this stuff without taking their best guess?
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 3:54 pm
WatersMoon110 Computers can deal with as many dimensions as you ask them to. The three dimensions we see are are only a few of a multitude of dimensions. Time is often called the "fourth dimension", but doesn't act like one from our perspective (in that, we can only move one way through time, but we can move any possible way through all of the others). It's hard, for me, to separate the visual dimensions we see (which are most likely just constructs of our minds and may be nothing like what actual exists) and the concept of all dimensions just as dimensions. Computers have it easy. No outside perception to interfere with the processing. *wink* Unless you're Data.
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 9:35 pm
Tiger of the Fire La Veuve Zin Let me eat a few plants, then get back to you on this. OMG! Plant murdrer! Plants give of electro pulses that resemble emotions too you know! mad Hey Devine? Ever see that one episode of ST: TNG where this one guy shows up on the entireprise and does somethign to the warp drive and they jump so far is carried them to a place where every thing you imagine is real? Yet that thought seems to have emotions and a mind of its own? The Traveler. From Tau Alpha C. Wesley eventually gained the ability to master it, too. Which is good, got him off the show. I like Wil Wheaton, but I don't like Wesley Crusher, little twit. Very, very early episode, btw. At any rate...the fifth dimension is already a description being used for something fathomable by the human mind. It's in mathematics. I wasn't entirely sure, so I checked up on it. I'm also going to ask my dad about it tomorrow. It still boggles the mind. Have you ever read something called...I think it was flatland? *wikis* Yep, Flatland. I think you might like it. It sort of combines mathematics and philosophy, if you want to read a bit of meaning into it.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:22 am
lymelady Tiger of the Fire La Veuve Zin Let me eat a few plants, then get back to you on this. OMG! Plant murdrer! Plants give of electro pulses that resemble emotions too you know! mad Hey Devine? Ever see that one episode of ST: TNG where this one guy shows up on the entireprise and does somethign to the warp drive and they jump so far is carried them to a place where every thing you imagine is real? Yet that thought seems to have emotions and a mind of its own? The Traveler. From Tau Alpha C. Wesley eventually gained the ability to master it, too. Which is good, got him off the show. I like Wil Wheaton, but I don't like Wesley Crusher, little twit. Very, very early episode, btw. At any rate...the fifth dimension is already a description being used for something fathomable by the human mind. It's in mathematics. I wasn't entirely sure, so I checked up on it. I'm also going to ask my dad about it tomorrow. It still boggles the mind. Have you ever read something called...I think it was flatland? *wikis* Yep, Flatland. I think you might like it. It sort of combines mathematics and philosophy, if you want to read a bit of meaning into it. I've heard of flatland, never read it though...I think there is an indipendant CGI production group turning it into a seiries of shorts... EDIT: Yeah, thay are. http://youtube.com/watch?v=hUu6zrdlUxI
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 4:04 pm
Hyper-cubes FTW!
...Anyways, there was a site I visited once that explained the idea that scientists have about dimensions up until the 18th dimension or something, but I can't remember what it was called. sweatdrop It was pretty awesome, though. Seems like, basically, you take an object made up of all the previous dimensions and treat it as a "point". You create another "point," and stretch a "line" between them and you have an object of the next dimension.
This can be seen in the dimensions we already know; You have the "zero" dimension which is, literally, a point. You take two of those and stretch a line between them and you have an object of the first dimension. You take two lines and stretch a "line" between them and you have a two dimensional object, a square. Take two squares and stretch a "line" between them and you have a three dimensional object, the cube. Take two cubes and stretch a "line" between them and you have the hypercube, a fourth dimensional object. And so on and so forth, but it becomes a lot harder to visualize the farther you go.
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