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Could someone explain to me why a woman's "bodily intregity" is sacred and all-encompassing and overrules all other considerations, even to the point of completely destroying another person's bodily integrity, to the point of death? When did society reach the point that instead of rejoicing at being pregnant, women now consider their baby to be their mortal enemy?

Heheh, good analogy. You know what really irks me? Every time they start ranting about the baby stealing their nutrients! They act like they're starving to death or something. In Africa, I could accept this as a valid concern. But in America? Not just no, but hell no.

Because that was different! That was for PLEASURE. It didn't require any sort of sacrifice or responsibility on her part.


On a side note: I feel so special! Someone PMed (which I believe stands for Private Message, correct me if I'm wrong) me wanting to "discuss" this thread (ie, talk me over to her side rolleyes ) and when I made my feelings on this matter clear, she started a thread of the PM messages over on the other guild. I would post the entire conversation here also, but I'm not going to invade her privacy in that fashion.

If she namedropped you, then, report her and she'll have to remove all references to your name. (For that matter, I edited the namedrops out of your post, and divine's).

How did the fetus become the enemy? Back before I was born, before you were born, probably even before my parents were born, a bunch of men convinced feminists that the fetus is the enemy. Family is the enemy. Anything that would make a woman put herself aside for someone else is the enemy to women's rights. We need equal rights, and the only way to do that is make everyone who might possibly stand in our way an enemy.

Women just aren't strong enough to do things without killing their offspring, I suppose? That sure makes me feel confident in my abilities. We all know, that in order to be as good as men, women need to be able to kill their offspring.

As for how bodily integrity trumps all? Matter of opinion and priorities.

Heh, just read the thread. It's really kinda funny. You'd think that someone who compares us to the KKK would realize why we wouldn't exactly embrace any reaching out from her, but I suppose not. Oh well, if people want to keep claiming "enlightened" highground, let them. The smug, "I'm so much better than they are and I'm just trying to help but those poor stupid little lifers are so mean and closed-minded" attitude is very telling.

No, I think its more along the lines of this whole generation (not just woman) have not so much become lesser, but lazier.

Wait wait wait. Okay, when some one here drops a name for theit guild, its a perfectly reasonable reaction to be offended and talk to the captain in order to have the name removed form our guild. Yet, when they name drop, and we do the same thing, we're whiny?

You were right Mira, is does give you a satisfacotry tingly feeling.

C'mon Isis, I expected better of you... Didn't you know that choicers can bend definitions and meanins of words at will? Things like "Human" and "Parasite" and "Vegetable".