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 Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:39 pm
Wow! I just read this article about how Pomegranate juice can help reduce the growth of cancer in a human's body!
You can read the article here.
This is a definitely interesting find! I mean, something as simple as Pomegranates?! That's absolutely crazy!
Do you think they are just hoping it really works, or do you believe that it does work?
Can you believe that this is possible?
And do you think they'll find a cure for cancer in the near future?
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:09 pm
It makes sense... antioxidants have been proven to reduce the risk of cancer, and even help treat it. Juice and liquids are the best way to absorb said antioxidants and nutrients.
I believe there is a cure for cancer, but due to population growth issues and the marketing monopoly of the so-called healing agencies of the world (medical tyrants corporations). Give out a cure for cancer in an herbal pill form, and you take away the massive amount of income of such bogus harmful cures such as chemo and radiation treatment.
It is sad when human lives are worth nothing, if it means these faceless companies can get fatter and richer.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:16 pm
There are all kinds of 'superfoods' which have been found to have those kinds of effects. usually they are mis-represented, they are only effective if they've been a major part of your diet at the time when the cancer is contracted. They all work by having large concentrations of phytonutrients, the major groups of which are flavonoids, isoflavones (phytoestrogens), isothiocyanates, monoterpenes, organosulfur compounds, saponins, capsaicinoids and phytosterols. Most of these are destroyed by cooking and processing.
Some of these superfoods are already regularly eaten by some communities, e.g Blueberries, Asparagus, Broccoli, Brussel Sprouts, Red Clover, Onion, Chives.
They seem to be most effective against anaplasiac cells, probably due to polyphenol antioxidant and anti-inflammatory effects. But studies of supplementation with large doses of beta-carotene in smokers have shown an increase in cancer risk (possibly because excessive beta-carotene results in breakdown products that reduce plasma Vitamin A and worsen the lung cell proliferation induced by smoke). Pomegranate is one of those fruits high in beta carotene, for reference. SO it's a give-or-take thing in some situations, but as a rule of thumb anything in excess though should be avoided.
Lots of these have other major health effects, though, allicin and other organosulfurs in onions and garlic are great anti-clotting agents, antibiotics, and anti-fungals. once again, though, processing kills 'em. So chuck a bunch of spanish onion in your salad, crunch your way through a clove of garlic (followed by a few tic-tacs if you please) and dice some chives into your burrito. Watch your blood pressure drop to a healthy level, your geeneral wellbeing increase and your immune system get a major shot in the arm.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:18 pm
X-666 It makes sense... antioxidants have been proven to reduce the risk of cancer, and even help treat it. Juice and liquids are the best way to absorb said antioxidants and nutrients. No they aren't. X-666 I believe there is a cure for cancer, but due to population growth issues and the marketing monopoly of the so-called healing agencies of the world (medical tyrants corporations). Give out a cure for cancer in an herbal pill form, and you take away the massive amount of income of such bogus harmful cures such as chemo and radiation treatment. Are you trying tot ell me the thousands of people saved by radiation treatment were flukes? That decades of independent scientific research is all just an illuminati conspiracy pushed onwards by a collaboration of IG Farben, Dupont and pan pharmaceuticals? Back down, you rudderless hippy. X-666 It is sad when human lives are worth nothing, if it means these faceless companies can get fatter and richer. Spoken like a true misinformed teenager.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:33 pm
Soldier Scientist X-666 It makes sense... antioxidants have been proven to reduce the risk of cancer, and even help treat it. Juice and liquids are the best way to absorb said antioxidants and nutrients. No they aren't. Quote: X-666 It is sad when human lives are worth nothing, if it means these faceless companies can get fatter and richer. Spoken like a true misinformed teenager.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:37 pm
Insult me, will you? How juvenile of you. I know the treatment works in some, and I admit I didn't explain my full opinion on it all. I've seen people die due to chemotherapy. However, I am aware that if treated in time, chemotherapy will destroy the cancer before it destroys the patient.
I still believe that the marketing of products and cervices prevent many breakthrough ideals from being openly available. This not only in medicine, but also in other fields such as fuels. If you wish to not believe this, fine, that is your own opinion, but I will not stand here and be personally insulted by you on what I believe.
And I assure you, I am no 'hippie'. I am not a drug user, I have a job, and I am well educated. What I am, however, is a philosopher and a scholar, not a doctor.
This thread asked for the opinions of others, and I gave mine, as you gave yours, which was very insightful. If you wish to discuss my ideas, you are welcome to, but I repeat again, do not insult me personally.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:39 pm
I'm sorry. I thought this was a science forum. Not an opinions forum.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:42 pm
I do belive there is a cure for cancer, but the pharmacudical companies and your medical insurances, are making too much money off you being sick.
I can see why x-666 would think they are "bogus" cure's. Because how is it that we can cure you "half-way" but not all the way.
Seems to me that there are companies out there that would rather strip you of all your money and somewhat save you...but not really, so you keep giving them money, .....as long as you keep giving them money..why ever would they just cure you completley...They'd lose out.
They don't care that you might die. There is nothing that you could possibly research or say to convince me that "companies" care weather I live or die.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:45 pm
Finite is not bogus.
I've been around many cancer patients, radiologists, and research doctors and it all says the same thing. If got to early enough, chemo and rado is extremely effective. The only times it doesn't work is when the cancer is too far progressed, and even then the patient chooses to give it a shot, and more power to them for that.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:45 pm
Soldier Scientist I'm sorry. I thought this was a science forum. Not an opinions forum.
YOu stated not facts or references yourself so you have no room to argue with ME.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:56 pm
Soldier Scientist Finite is not bogus. I've been around many cancer patients, radiologists, and research doctors and it all says the same thing. If got to early enough, chemo and rado is extremely effective. The only times it doesn't work is when the cancer is too far progressed, and even then the patient chooses to give it a shot, and more power to them for that.
Then you should know that chemotheropy isn't that great, although yes effective to some many patients who have been treated with Chemo suffer other long term side-effects. ... but a few years down the line, chemo theropy will start showing it's side effects which of course call you once again back to the doctor and back to paying them to fix you.
Maybe it's not cancer this time, but it's your decaying teeth, Cataracts that may develop, weight gain, cold intolerance, radiation therapy to the chest can result in defective lung or heart function, radiation to the abdomen can affect the kidneys and may result in increased blood pressure... not to mention your hair loss, ache's and pains due to chemo, so many things.
You call a cure?
I don't think so.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:06 pm
It cures what it's told to. Side effects do not a cure un-make.
And it sure beats the hell out of the alternative.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:09 pm
Personally, I'd rather die than have the side effects. But that is my opinion.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:19 pm
Soldier Scientist It cures what it's told to. Side effects do not a cure un-make. And it sure beats the hell out of the alternative.
Some people don't want to go through with it, and some people choose the alternative. I don't really think you have the slightest idea what it's really like to go through chemo theorpy. It's not a walk in the park - it's not easly choosing to live knowing you will suffer uncontrolably for months - and have other issues just as bad or even worse than cancer later on in life... LIke Diabeties. It's not easint choosing to put yourself in that situation especially when you know your odds of dying are still there... there is not a great % guarenteed that chemo is going to work.
Sure it cure's what it's told to (for some), and I didn't say it unmakes a cure...it's a cure alright, but a sure "bogus" one at that-->I can see the sence in that statment.
I think you are missing the bigger picture...which is about companies and sicence together being able to come up with a real cure....a vaccine even!
But they don't because they don't want to lose the money they are allready making.
It's all pollitical....
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:18 pm
I have to agree with emily and x666 on this one. the chemo and rado therapy that is given to cancer paitents isnt really the best thing in the world. and for something to be a cure, a TRUE cure, it should cure the illness completly and leave no sideeffects due to the treatment. as the cancer survivors and they will tell you themselves there gratefull for the chemo but they hate the outcome. and as they have said opinion is a big part of science seing as inorder to start a scientific experiement you need to have an opionion on teh outcome. so dont say science has nothing to do with opionions.
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