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 Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:43 pm
I have a confession to make. I am not totally against abortions, if there is a good reason. There are the usual three of course, risk of death, rape and incest. I would also support it if it can be medically proven that the mother's health would be permanently affected (note I said permanently). I am NOT in favor of abortion for defects such as Down's syndrome. I know several Down's syndrome people that are living happy lives, including holding down jobs. I am against abortion for selecting sex. I am against abortion used as birth control. I am against abortion for financial reasons, because there is just too much help available out there if you just look around. I am against perfectly healthy women aborting perfectly healthy fetuses for no good reason, because that's just sick.
My question is this. Under what circumstances would other members of this guild accept abortion?
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:47 pm
Probably by the same one's you made.
I suppose, one could argue, everything has its place.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:29 pm
Life of the mother only. If it is permanent health defect, one can leanr to work around it. Incest is not a valid reason as incest is consentual. If it is incestual rape then it is classified under rape. And rape I can not agree with either because that little life is not at fault.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:09 pm
Life or mental wellbeing of the mother.
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:48 am
Health of the mother. Whether that entails physical AND mental I would leave up to the doctors to decide. Rape no and incest definitely not. Either the whole incest thing because she was raped, and then it doesn't matter that it was incest because... well it's rape either way and goes back to that. Or if it was consentual then what's the issue? She consented a child was produced.
Also the whole incest thing is a total bullshit arguement. The majority of fathers (as in girls father if he rapes her) WANT their daughters to have an abortion if they get pregnant, because otherwise it's much easier to catch him for rape. So in the majority of cases like that abortion is used so that the girl can be abused FURTHER rather than the abuse being stopped and the father being put in jail.
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:42 am
Tiger of the Fire Life of the mother only. If it is permanent health defect, one can leanr to work around it. Incest is not a valid reason as incest is consentual. If it is incestual rape then it is classified under rape. And rape I can not agree with either because that little life is not at fault. I'm more than willing to change my mind about rape and incest, because you have good points there. I'm still a little iffy about permanent health changes. Sagging bellies and stretchmarks, don't even go there, I'll laugh in your face. Diabetes? That can be controlled with medicine and diet, so that one doesn't worry me. Are there other, more serious problems?
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:43 am
King Seth Life or mental wellbeing of the mother. I dunno, mental wellbeing can cover so many things. What if the woman gets hysterical and says "If I can't abort I'm going to KILL MYSELF!"
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:45 am
Beware the Jabberwock Health of the mother. Whether that entails physical AND mental I would leave up to the doctors to decide. Rape no and incest definitely not. Either the whole incest thing because she was raped, and then it doesn't matter that it was incest because... well it's rape either way and goes back to that. Or if it was consentual then what's the issue? She consented a child was produced.
Also the whole incest thing is a total bullshit arguement. The majority of fathers (as in girls father if he rapes her) WANT their daughters to have an abortion if they get pregnant, because otherwise it's much easier to catch him for rape. So in the majority of cases like that abortion is used so that the girl can be abused FURTHER rather than the abuse being stopped and the father being put in jail. Heheh. Ok, rape and incest are off my list. You all make good sense.
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:55 am
Winged Isis King Seth Life or mental wellbeing of the mother. I dunno, mental wellbeing can cover so many things. What if the woman gets hysterical and says "If I can't abort I'm going to KILL MYSELF!" That's actually a perfect example right there.
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:51 pm
Winged Isis Tiger of the Fire Life of the mother only. If it is permanent health defect, one can leanr to work around it. Incest is not a valid reason as incest is consentual. If it is incestual rape then it is classified under rape. And rape I can not agree with either because that little life is not at fault. I'm more than willing to change my mind about rape and incest, because you have good points there. I'm still a little iffy about permanent health changes. Sagging bellies and stretchmarks, don't even go there, I'll laugh in your face. Diabetes? That can be controlled with medicine and diet, so that one doesn't worry me. Are there other, more serious problems? I've heard for some woman, who have small hips, a birth wont kill them, but it can cripple them. But, like I said, these things can be worked around, and are not an end all.
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:05 pm
Winged Isis King Seth Life or mental wellbeing of the mother. I dunno, mental wellbeing can cover so many things. What if the woman gets hysterical and says "If I can't abort I'm going to KILL MYSELF!" Now that sounds like someone willing to stab herself with a coathanger or whatnot. I think she needs counseling, and would need it even if she wasn't pregnant. Any serious plans of suicide would land someone in an inpatient facility, whether they're for understandable reasons or none at all.
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:20 pm
La Veuve Zin Winged Isis King Seth Life or mental wellbeing of the mother. I dunno, mental wellbeing can cover so many things. What if the woman gets hysterical and says "If I can't abort I'm going to KILL MYSELF!" Now that sounds like someone willing to stab herself with a coathanger or whatnot. I think she needs counseling, and would need it even if she wasn't pregnant. Any serious plans of suicide would land someone in an inpatient facility, whether they're for understandable reasons or none at all. I was just wondering because over in the abortion discussion threads they claim there's a mental condition where women are so afraid of being pregnant they actually become suicidal and abortion is therefore the only alternative for them.
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:26 am
Winged Isis I was just wondering because over in the abortion discussion threads they claim there's a mental condition where women are so afraid of being pregnant they actually become suicidal and abortion is therefore the only alternative for them. A phobia of pregnancy, I suppose. But people with genuine phobias go to extreme lengths to avoid the focus of their fear. Since it's totally impossible for women to avoid becoming pregnant, these individuals are SOL. ....OWAIT.... Seriously, does a phobia of pregnancy sound common? As usual, they're full of s**t.
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:42 am
Life of the mother
Health of the mother, in some cases. And yes, to me, that extends to mental health.
Not rape. Not incest.
In my opinion there's no call to say to someone, "You need to live with Diabetes now." "You need to go blind now." "You need to be crippled now." That's just my opinion, but though I would choose to live with an ailment rather than have my child die, I couldn't ask other women to do the same.
Saying, "You can live with it," isn't a very good answer in my opinion. My mom is living with polio, but it's cut her life expectancy, she spends tons of money on medical junk, she's in a wheelchair for life and unable to do a lot of the things she loves doing. Yeah, she went on to get re-married, have two more kids, and have a good life, but if someone had said to her, "We can stop this from happening, but we won't," then....I dunno. It just seems wrong.
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:40 pm
i don't know if pregnancy can be compared to polio and blindness...
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