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 Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:17 am
Science Daily — A distinguishing feature of human intelligence is our ability to understand the goals and intentions of others. This ability develops gradually during infancy, and the extent to which it is present in other animals is an intriguing question.
New research reveals striking similarities between humans and dogs in the way they imitate the actions of others. The phenomenon under investigation is known as "selective imitation" and implies that dogs--like human infants--do not simply copy an action they observe, but adjust the extent to which they imitate to the circumstances of the action.
The new work shows for the first time that animals do imitate selectively. This reveals a striking parallel between dogs and human infants in that they do not simply "ape" an action, but only do so if it appears appropriate for the goal.
In the study done covered in this article, dogs were faced with the task of opening a container with food by pulling a rod. Dogs prefer to use the mouth for this task, but a female dog was trained to open the box with her paw. When the other dogs observed the female's action, they imitated it in order to get the food. However, the dogs imitated selectively.
When they saw the demonstrating dog open the box with her paw, with a ball in her mouth, they continued to open the box with their mouth, but when they saw the demonstrating dog open the box with her paw with out anything in her mouth, they also opened the box with their paw.
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What do you guys think about animal intelligence?
Do you think this study proves anything?
ARe other animals capable of thought?
Or do you think we humans are the only one's possible to carry any kind of intelligence?
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:09 pm
Animals are without a dout capable of thought, look at animals they all teach them self better ways of doing things for example gorillaz get sticks and use them as walking sticks to cross a river.
As for the study proving anything it was alredy known to me so i personally think it was a waste of time.
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:49 pm
I believe dogs are very intelligent, but they can't communicate very well with us, so we don't know how smart they can be!
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:42 am
Dogs are very intelligent, more than the majority of others animals. But I think dogs are not smarter (nor near smart) than us. But well, they have faculties we don't have, and certainly we have faculties they will never have, without naturally our intervention (science is some part a danger, playing god or playing the little chemist will cause our loss one day or another one)
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:15 am
Hehe it's funny that dogs are loyal to their owners without question. No matter what that person looks like, sounds like, smells like, what disabilities they may have, the color of their skin, the color of their hair, whether they have hair or not, what religion they may be...
So... dogs may be smarter than humans afterall. wink
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:25 am
Submission is not I'd call a proof that they are more smarter than us. Maybe they're smart, but they're also stupid enough for catching the bone or the ball we launch
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:53 pm
I feel canines minds are highly developed simply because: Firstly, they are carnivores – there have been studies that prove carnivores have a more developed mind and simply have to in order to out wit their pray and capture it.
Secondly, they are social creatures. Studies have been done to prove social creatures minds are more highly developed.
Lastly, not only that, for hundreds of thousands of years they have been social with human kind.
It is a matter of time in my opinion that canines will become more intelligent as hundreds of years progress, though not on such a grand scale as a human.
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:48 pm
Miss TiramiZu Submission is not I'd call a proof that they are more smarter than us. Maybe they're smart, but they're also stupid enough for catching the bone or the ball we launch
Maybe because they love us and want to make us happy.
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......That's not stupid.
sad
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:49 pm
Animatratus Hehe it's funny that dogs are loyal to their owners without question. No matter what that person looks like, sounds like, smells like, what disabilities they may have, the color of their skin, the color of their hair, whether they have hair or not, what religion they may be... So... dogs may be smarter than humans afterall. wink
We are only the third smartest on earth...
Dolphin's being the second...
-hitchiker's guide to the galexy.
^^I loved that book, good movie too.
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:54 am
I don't really think any animals we are aware of are as intelligent or near as intelligent as humans, we are simply in a different league as evidenced by our advanced applications and creation of tools, ability communicate, and cooporate.
I think there are several animals more intelligent than dogs, but dogs do have several similairities to us which I think is in part why the seem so intelligent.
1. Dog are descended from predators. Most predators have to be more intelligent than their prey, otherwise they would die, so in general predators seem to be more intelligent than average animals (or at least their prey).
2. Dogs are social animals, they are descended from pack hunters and are instinctivly adapted to a heirachical pack structure, what happens with dogs is we take the role of their pack, and so they are completely loyal to and protective of their owners the same way that wolves would be of a pack in the wild.
3. Dogs are able to learn complex behaviors, this is not neccisarily a sign of raw intelligence but rather of adapability. A dog might not be smart enough to go to the store and buy sausages and bring them back if you give him money (but some buy in china managed to TRAIN his dog to do this anyway)
Other animals that have shown high degrees of intelligence other than primates.
Birds: Grey Parrots, and Ravens have both been shown signs of high reasoning ability. I read one study comparing the reasoning abilites of cats, dogs, ravens, and the ravens won hands down. (I haven't been able to find it tonight but if anyone is interested I will try to dig it up)
Other mammals. I haven't seen a lot of scientific data to support this but I have watched a lot of nature shows, I always felt that elephants, dolphins and whales, were pretty bright for animals. (anyone willing to dig up a few links to support or undermine this belief)
On a completely unrelated note have you ever looked at a shark's eyes in an aquarium.... They are really spooky like there is no life or emotion in them they are just kind of creepy and alien. ( I don't think fish are too smart and its three AM here so mind is wandering)
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:58 am
Miss TiramiZu Submission is not I'd call a proof that they are more smarter than us. Maybe they're smart, but they're also stupid enough for catching the bone or the ball we launch
Loyalty doesn't always mean submission.
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:55 am
It's an interesting study. But of course, anything like this inevitably leads to a philosophical discussion of what is meant by "intelligence"--it's a very grey area. Of course dogs are smart; any dog owner knows this. There are even things that they are better at than people (see: their freaking amazing sense of smell!). There are also things that they aren't as good at: e.g. speaking English. We're just adapted for different things.
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:37 pm
Loyalty? The problem is that with the dog, there is 2 situations
- We are more poweful than the dog, mindly and physically, so we can prove to the dog that we are his master, and that he's the slace
- We are not enough poweful mindly-physically, so he can beat his master, so it's the master his slave.
In fact, origins of the dogs is just wolves that humans was domesticating some thousands years ago, and it was made not in one day, it took many thousands of year to submit the wolf to a dog. So I think wolves are most smart than dogs, because even if dogs learns from human to make many things, they lost some ability of the dogs. But it's certain it's our fault if a day some animal will be more smart than us.
Dolphins are smart, cats also, and elephants too
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:23 pm
Miss TiramiZu Loyalty? The problem is that with the dog, there is 2 situations - We are more poweful than the dog, mindly and physically, so we can prove to the dog that we are his master, and that he's the slace - We are not enough poweful mindly-physically, so he can beat his master, so it's the master his slave. The point I think you are missing is that is not simply a question of submission but the entire pack mentality. Dogs view humans as their family and their actions back it up most of the time. That type of bond is more than just submission, even if dogs are evolved to function with a mentality based around submission and dominance.
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:15 pm
Animatratus Hehe it's funny that dogs are loyal to their owners without question. No matter what that person looks like, sounds like, smells like, what disabilities they may have, the color of their skin, the color of their hair, whether they have hair or not, what religion they may be... So... dogs may be smarter than humans afterall. wink Most dogs will also be loyal to an owner that beats them. Intelligent? Well as intelligent as a human who stays with a partner who beats them I guess.
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