Seperation of Chruch and State

[[-Toxic Love-]]

I felt the need to kick things off here.
So.
This is first thing I thought of.

I abselouty HATE ANY religion influencing laws and schools or ANYthing.
I refuse to stand for the pledge.
The whole God thing.
Oh yeah.
You may think it's stupid.
But what about the Muslims?
How do THEY feel about it?
How do Jehovah's Witnesses feel about it?!
But yet school's still like to force them to stand.
I hate it.

What do you think?

 

[[-Toxic Love-]]

Hai, it is.
But they just say that it's "being patriotic".
My whole family hates me for doing it.
And Mother LOVES to spread it around.
She's such an attention whore.
"OOooooh.....
My daughter's a Satanist or something.
Look at me!
I made an evil daughter.
WEeeee!!!!!one!!!!1!!!!eleven!!!"

Anyway v.V

It's not just schools.
The law doesn't pay attention to it either.
Look at the whole gay marriage thing.
It's not immoral to them because that's what they believe naturally.
It's what they believe because of their religion.
The only good excuse they have is that the Bible says it is wrong.
Then they say they aren't talking from a religious point.
OOOOooooh yeeeaaaah....

My school has a Christian thing too.
They meet after school and don't bother anyone so I don't pay attention or care.

The only way that they should teach the Bible as a text is being completely open to all ideas.
A.K.A. Excepting the fact that the Bible was NOT written by God but by man, translated many times, and very possibly could be completely different than what the Christians thought it said.
They would also need to have more open things.
Like open debate.
No arguing though.
Which would be rather hard.
People would need to be COMPLETELY open minded.
Most Christians have a problem doing this so that would be unlikely.

I could see it being alright in certain environments.
But it wouldn't work in most.
I would'a talked to the principal or something.

[-Hehe. So am I XD-]

 

[[-Toxic Love-]]

I hate him so much [-Bush-] v.V

Meh.
My teachers threaten to call my parents every time.
I always smirk and say, "Go ahead love, she knows. She supports it. So does the constitution and I'm sure any judge would see it my way too." in a sing song like voice and then I walk away.
Apparently I flash them one of my "I going to kill you looks" that I give to people sometimes with out realizing it o.o;;;
They never call either XD

Realleh?
We're learning about the Holocaust right now.
[-In English o.O Wtf?-]
So that's an interesting tid bit.

 

[[-Toxic Love-]]

Kids everyday [-in the same class-] look at me weird and say things.
Then they're just too lazy to stand and they get shitty when I don't have to stand but they do.
I yell at them and tell them I actually have a reason so I'm not some lazy a** idiot.
In which case they ask if I want to fight o.O
I hate wanna be "gangsters".

Meh.
It's all the stupid Christian nazi's.
They just need some one to hate to make their pathetic lives intresting.
So they pick gays.
And other religions.
Other ideas, etc.
It's annoying.

 

[[-Toxic Love-]]

Meh.
It's not just teachers.
It's ALL adults.

[-We're reading Night-]

 

[[-Toxic Love-]]

HAH!
And yer' a junior!
That's too funny.
MS is so behind XD
I have a quizeh tomorrow and my final for it is next week sometime.

 

[Do-Ri-To Ninja]

Thank you for the invite, first off.

There should definitely be a seperation. Not everybody on this frikin' Earth is a Christian and/or believes in teh Jezuses.

Here's how I say MY pledge:

I pledge allegiance
To the flag
Of the United States of America.
And to the Republic for which it stands
One Nation
Under the sky
Indivisible
With liberty and justice for all.

I've gotten in trouble on some occasions and had to say it alone, so I use that one. I mean, how could you get offended by that? It's true, innit? Plus, I'm the Agnostic-leaning-towards-Atheism.

Now, there are occasions where they'd go like this, you know, some days:


I pledge allegiance
To the flag
Of the United States of America.
And to the Republic for which it stands
One Nation
Under Chuck Norris
Indivisible
With liberty and justice for all.

And this.

I pledge allegiance
To the flag
Of the United States of America.
And to the Republic for which it stands
One Nation
Under Canada
Indivisible
With liberty and justice for all.

Usually the kid to the left gives me a mean "DUBYATEETODAEFF" look.

 

[[-Toxic Love-]]

Merc Pip Bernadotte

First off, thank you for the invitation Toxic, and you're right, your serious forum is quite lonely, hopefully, I can change some of that. ^^

Now, for the separation of church and state. The pledge is the biggest example of the separation being bullshit, "One nation under God." rolleyes

I don't even stand up for it, although I do believe in a God, just not the Christian interpretation of one. Also, I don't believe just standing up, saluting the flag, and memorizing a silly little chant will install you with the utmost loyalty in your country.

Rampant nationalism is baaaaaaaaaaad when you have nothing to be proud of at the moment.

You're welcome :3
Yeah.
I was tryin' tah get some people who post in the Extended Discussion forum a lot into here but apparently yer' the only one so far sweatdrop

Yeah it is kinda.. not meaning anything.
Saying something doesn't mean you feel any way about it.
Maybe you like the country and are indeed loyal but you don't need to say every single day at school and at a lot of sports events.

If you're not liking the country.. well you can't even say that because you'll get into trouble I'm sure at schools.
[-Never really tried nor am I gonna >.<-]

Yeah.
Our president isn't the best right now and isn't making the best decisions.
Not too many people are proud :/