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 Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:22 pm
It's one of the most popular discussions now adays, specially around Gaia
We've all heard Naruto and POTC fans debating about which one is better, even in conventions there's always a pirate vs ninja dance off
G.A is no exception. Here in Gothic Angels the topic has popped up more than once in random threads
Now it's time to finally decide this once and for all.
So, what's it going to be guys?
Pirates or ninjas?
[Will be moved to the extended discussions thread shortly]
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:55 pm
Uh, totally has to be pirates.
Come on, a quiet life of planning one murder after which you are required by tradition to kill yourself after? Or a lifetime of plundering, drinking, fighting, drinking, sailing and drinking?
Easy choice for me.
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:11 pm
Anubis the Jackal Uh, totally has to be pirates. Come on, a quiet life of planning one murder after which you are required by tradition to kill yourself after? Or a lifetime of plundering, drinking, fighting, drinking, sailing and drinking? Easy choice for me. I'm gonna need an actual reference where it says in the Ninja code that after killing one person a ninja must kill him/herself. Ninjas kill multiple people on multiple occassions. That's not why I like them. It comes down to simple physics. You said so yourself. Pirates plunder and drink and fight and drink and sail and drink. With all that drinking, you think you're gonna be sober enough to kill a ninja? Besides that, pirates fight with themselves mostly, making them batter and bruised already when the ninjas come to kill them. Ninjas are trained from birth how to perfectly execute their targets without being seen. A single ninja could take out half of a pirate ship before any one of you drunken parrot-feeding cannon toters would even realize somethings awry. You guys have numbers, but you can't match the pure skill of the ninja community
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:27 pm
Lies! Pirates did not feed parrots mad d They actually didn't even have parrots, and not all of them were alcoholics. Ok, so I kinda agree about a ninja killing a pirate easily. After all they're thought how to remain hidden from a young age and have multiple weapons they can use from a distance. But that doesn't mean they're better. Pirates take the win in my opinion! blaugh They live how they want, bound by no rules or morals. A ninja is mostly always working for someone, they have morals and rules to follow, except ronins of course since they have no masters. But in that case, there's not much point to anything.
I still love ninja's of course. Just favor pirates a bit more.
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:21 pm
Once a ninja is seen, he aint s**t but just another artial artist. Time and time again, a pistol weilding man 20 feet away from a sword weilding ninja has a definite advantage, let alone half a ships crew.
And, while I cant show you the ninja code telling all ninja to commit suicide after a kill (because, there is no such thing as the ninja code.) It is pretty widely known. The ninja trained their entire lives for there one kill, took the kill, then killed themselves so that the money would go not to them, but to their family.
@ Crystalized:
Ronin is a samurai term. There were no ronin ninja, because ninja have no masters, only clients.
Besides, ninja were ruthless, honorless murderers. A samurai would fight, but a ninja hides, attacks from behind, slits throats. Ninja were silent and completely honorless.
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:49 pm
Anubis the Jackal Once a ninja is seen, he aint s**t but just another artial artist. Time and time again, a pistol weilding man 20 feet away from a sword weilding ninja has a definite advantage, let alone half a ships crew. And, while I cant show you the ninja code telling all ninja to commit suicide after a kill (because, there is no such thing as the ninja code.) It is pretty widely known. The ninja trained their entire lives for there one kill, took the kill, then killed themselves so that the money would go not to them, but to their family. @ Crystalized: Ronin is a samurai term. There were no ronin ninja, because ninja have no masters, only clients. Besides, ninja were ruthless, honorless murderers. A samurai would fight, but a ninja hides, attacks from behind, slits throats. Ninja were silent and completely honorless. That is complete and utter bullshit dude! I studied ninjas for a couple years in my Japanese class, and I never ran across anything that said they tail a single person for a single kill. I call complete bullshit As for ninjas being ruthless, honorless murderers, uh... DUDE! So are pirates. They kill their own for personal gain! Another person's life isn't worth s**t compared to a bag of gold. How is that honor?
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:01 pm
ChaosSanctum Anubis the Jackal Once a ninja is seen, he aint s**t but just another artial artist. Time and time again, a pistol weilding man 20 feet away from a sword weilding ninja has a definite advantage, let alone half a ships crew. And, while I cant show you the ninja code telling all ninja to commit suicide after a kill (because, there is no such thing as the ninja code.) It is pretty widely known. The ninja trained their entire lives for there one kill, took the kill, then killed themselves so that the money would go not to them, but to their family. @ Crystalized: Ronin is a samurai term. There were no ronin ninja, because ninja have no masters, only clients. Besides, ninja were ruthless, honorless murderers. A samurai would fight, but a ninja hides, attacks from behind, slits throats. Ninja were silent and completely honorless. That is complete and utter bullshit dude! I studied ninjas for a couple years in my Japanese class, and I never ran across anything that said they tail a single person for a single kill. I call complete bullshit As for ninjas being ruthless, honorless murderers, uh... DUDE! So are pirates. They kill their own for personal gain! Another person's life isn't worth s**t compared to a bag of gold. How is that honor?
You're having too much fun with this debate Drew mad d
I've read about samurai's committing suicide after their masters died, but never ninjas. Pirates and ninjas both have no honor, that's something they have in common. But ninja's DID work for people sometimes. Specially feudal rulers at the time who hired their services not just once, but permanently so they could serve under them.
Pirates on the other hand, took what they wanted instead of killing or doing work for it. They probably have less honor, but they did what they want because they wanted it and acted on selfish impulse. In other words, they followed less rules and lived the life they pleased.
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:22 pm
It's pirates for me because I love the idea of being bound by no rules having free spirit and doing as you please.
On the honour debate neither have any but ninja's work for others they could be paid off, and then they don't even flaunt it. If your gonna be left to deal with your demons may as well make it fun too.
Pirates are loud and proud and in my book thats a winner. I don't go in for the quiet s**t.
Also what are you basing your arguements on? Historical fact or typical stereotype? - For these reasons I shall not continue unless I have proof to back up my claims rather than my ideals.
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little_evil_goth Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:23 am
pirate v.s. ninja I think this pretty much sums it up. Statistically speaking, Pirates have already won this. How? Because they're still around. Real pirates are still around, and still kill things. Ninjas, however, have stopped being ninjas. After a long talk with their P.R. guy, they decided to simply become iconic heroes. (One could argue, of course, that this is just their way of hiding in plain sight in this high-tech world.) As a Goth though, I have to go with the guy dressed all in black to the guy drunkenly stumbling around.
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:48 am
I CAN'T DECIDE!!!
Pirates get to loot and drink (a lot as someone has pointed out). But ninjas are all disciplined and honour bound which i find cool, and you get to kill.
Diei, actually the ninja art is still practiced. Though it is just a martial art form now.
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:36 am
DieiNoctis pirate v.s. ninja I think this pretty much sums it up. Statistically speaking, Pirates have already won this. How? Because they're still around. Real pirates are still around, and still kill things. Ninjas, however, have stopped being ninjas. After a long talk with their P.R. guy, they decided to simply become iconic heroes. (One could argue, of course, that this is just their way of hiding in plain sight in this high-tech world.) As a Goth though, I have to go with the guy dressed all in black to the guy drunkenly stumbling around. *Flying Tackle Hug* DR. MCNINJA IS MY HERO!!! Thanks for the support, however small and technical it may be xd And yes, we ninjas are just hiding amongst normal people, in plain sight, and never seen... Anubis, I forgot to mention one thing, as far as a ninja being "worthless" in ranged combat... You seem to be under the impression that a ninja only carries a single katana with him. You forget that ninjas have many many weapons at their disposal, such as shuriken, kunai, and poisoned darts, making them very lethal from far off. I'd like to see a pirate try to aim his pistol when his one remaining eye has a shuriken lodged in it
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:50 am
Alone in the darkness trapped in your Pain...
-sigh- I'm going to have to go with the pirates.
Here's a little history lesson for you all:
-They were always dressed in the height of fashion, proving that they were not just ordinary criminals, but people who were powerful and in some cases influential.
-They were tougher than ninjas, having to tolerate the violence of battle and the terrible conditions on their ship. Blackbeard sustained 5 bullet wounds and 20 severe sword cuts before he was killed by Lieutenant Robert Maynard.
-Pirates did have an honor code. here it is:
+Every man has vote in affairs of moment;has equal title to the fresh provisions, or strong liquors, at any time seized, and may use them at pleasure, unless a scarcity makes necessary, for the good of all, to vote a retrenchment.
+If any man defrauded the company to the value of a pound in plate, jewels, or money, marooning was their punishment. If the robbery was only betwixt one another, they contented with slitting the nose and ears of him that was guilty, and set him on shore, not in an uninhabited place, but somewhere, where he was to encounter hardships.
+No person to game at cards or dice for money.
+The lights and candles to be put out at eight o' clock at night; if any of the crew,after that hour remained inclined to drinking, they were to do it on open deck.
+To keep their piece, pistols, and cutlass clean and fit for service.
+ If any man was found to be seducing any of the female sex, and carried her to sea, disguised, he was to suffer death.
+ To desert their ship or quarters in battle, was punished with death or marooning.
+ No striking one another on board, but every man's quarrels t be ended on shore, with sword and pistol.
+ No man to tak of breaking up their way of living, till each had shared 1000 pounds! If in order to this, any man should lose a limb, or become crippled in service, he was to have 800 pounds, out of the public stock, and for lesser hurts, proportionately.
+ The captain and quartermaster to have two shares of prize: the master, boatswain, and gunner, one share and a half, and other officers one and a quarter.
+ The musicians to have rest on the Sabbath Day, only by night.
-Pirates were made VERY wealthy by their plunder. Black Bart captured a total of 400 ships during his period of activity, while Henry Avery has the largest single haul on record- valued at $562,000 then, and more than 52 million today.
-Pirates also worked with multiple weapons. The cutlass, pistol, ax, gully knife, daggers, grenade, musket, blunderbuss, and marlinspike were all used as weapons, as well as anything else that came to hand in a fight.
The lesson here: Pirates pwn ninjas! pirate 
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:09 am
Nyz Incubus Alone in the darkness trapped in your Pain...
-Pirates also worked with multiple weapons. The cutlass, pistol, ax, gully knife, daggers, grenade, musket, blunderbuss, and marlinspike were all used as weapons, as well as anything else that came to hand in a fight.
The lesson here: Pirates pwn ninjas! pirate ...Fight all you want but in the end you won't see the light again. I didn't really get half of the pirate code, but that's probably cause I'm a ninja. Anyways, I really only have one point to debate with you. You make it sound as if ninjas only used a couple weapons. Here's a cute little list of ninja weapons: *Bo *Handclaws *Shuriken *Kunai *Makibishi (Iron spikes thrown on the ground to injure the feet of pursuers, sometimes poisoned for added effect) *Bow and Arrow *Katana *Ninja-Ken (Shorter than a katana) *Wakazashi (Shorter than a Ninja-ken) *Shikoro-ken (Saw sword) *Smoke bombs *Firecrackers *Ozutsu (Canons used to launch sparks and projectiles) *Metsubushi (Bamboo chutes or egg shells filled with sand or metal dust, thrown at opponent to blind them) *Shobo (Small ring worn on the finger, had a piece of wood attached to it and was used to hit the pressure points on an opponent)
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:02 am
ChaosSanctum Nyz Incubus Alone in the darkness trapped in your Pain...
-Pirates also worked with multiple weapons. The cutlass, pistol, ax, gully knife, daggers, grenade, musket, blunderbuss, and marlinspike were all used as weapons, as well as anything else that came to hand in a fight.
The lesson here: Pirates pwn ninjas! pirate ...Fight all you want but in the end you won't see the light again. I didn't really get half of the pirate code, but that's probably cause I'm a ninja. Anyways, I really only have one point to debate with you. You make it sound as if ninjas only used a couple weapons. Here's a cute little list of ninja weapons: *Bo *Handclaws *Shuriken *Kunai *Makibishi (Iron spikes thrown on the ground to injure the feet of pursuers, sometimes poisoned for added effect) *Bow and Arrow *Katana *Ninja-Ken (Shorter than a katana) *Wakazashi (Shorter than a Ninja-ken) *Shikoro-ken (Saw sword) *Smoke bombs *Firecrackers *Ozutsu (Canons used to launch sparks and projectiles) *Metsubushi (Bamboo chutes or egg shells filled with sand or metal dust, thrown at opponent to blind them) *Shobo (Small ring worn on the finger, had a piece of wood attached to it and was used to hit the pressure points on an opponent)
Forgive me, I was simply making the point that ninjas are not the only ones to use multiple weapons. Hence the word also. ...Fight all you want but in the end you won't see the light again.
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:09 am
Nyz Incubus Alone in the darkness trapped in your Pain...
-sigh- I'm going to have to go with the pirates.
Here's a little history lesson for you all:
-They were always dressed in the height of fashion, proving that they were not just ordinary criminals, but people who were powerful and in some cases influential.
-They were tougher than ninjas, having to tolerate the violence of battle and the terrible conditions on their ship. Blackbeard sustained 5 bullet wounds and 20 severe sword cuts before he was killed by Lieutenant Robert Maynard.
-Pirates did have an honor code. here it is:
+Every man has vote in affairs of moment;has equal title to the fresh provisions, or strong liquors, at any time seized, and may use them at pleasure, unless a scarcity makes necessary, for the good of all, to vote a retrenchment.
+If any man defrauded the company to the value of a pound in plate, jewels, or money, marooning was their punishment. If the robbery was only betwixt one another, they contented with slitting the nose and ears of him that was guilty, and set him on shore, not in an uninhabited place, but somewhere, where he was to encounter hardships.
+No person to game at cards or dice for money.
+The lights and candles to be put out at eight o' clock at night; if any of the crew,after that hour remained inclined to drinking, they were to do it on open deck.
+To keep their piece, pistols, and cutlass clean and fit for service.
+ If any man was found to be seducing any of the female sex, and carried her to sea, disguised, he was to suffer death.
+ To desert their ship or quarters in battle, was punished with death or marooning.
+ No striking one another on board, but every man's quarrels t be ended on shore, with sword and pistol.
+ No man to tak of breaking up their way of living, till each had shared 1000 pounds! If in order to this, any man should lose a limb, or become crippled in service, he was to have 800 pounds, out of the public stock, and for lesser hurts, proportionately.
+ The captain and quartermaster to have two shares of prize: the master, boatswain, and gunner, one share and a half, and other officers one and a quarter.
+ The musicians to have rest on the Sabbath Day, only by night.
-Pirates were made VERY wealthy by their plunder. Black Bart captured a total of 400 ships during his period of activity, while Henry Avery has the largest single haul on record- valued at $562,000 then, and more than 52 million today.
-Pirates also worked with multiple weapons. The cutlass, pistol, ax, gully knife, daggers, grenade, musket, blunderbuss, and marlinspike were all used as weapons, as well as anything else that came to hand in a fight.
The lesson here: Pirates pwn ninjas! pirate Woot! Fantastic. Pirates = amazing. pirate
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