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Soppon
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:04 pm


FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS DO NOT MAKE NEW THREADS ASKING ABOUT TALENT SPECS.

All questions about talent specs should be asked HERE AND HERE ALONE.

Any new threads will be deleted on sight so learn to love this thread.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:06 pm


This was taken from one of Max`s Mule's posts. Please give him credit. To cut down on threads I copy and pasted this here.

Druids

Cat Spec LEVELLING
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=zzZxGGsfroezioVxhz

Feral/Resto Hybrid spec LEVELLING
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=MZxGRscroxZVxIzco

BALANCE LEVELLING
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=0t0ruiIsguVoZxMI

Imp. MoTW sucks.

Hunters

Level this: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=me0GzxgRVzVoVVbRV
Emphasis on Beast Mastery, but you can take Lethal Shots first, then go BM.

Mages

Heavy arcane:

(Pure Arcane)///raid
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?2550550312232152333125100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

(Heavy arcane with PoM Pyroblast)///PvP
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?2550050300200152333125105520001000000000000000000000000000000000000

(Arcane/Fire)///PvP
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?2300550300200150330125155520201000000000000000000000000000000000000

(BalancedArcane/Fire)///PvP
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?2400050310230150310120055503201000003103000000000000000000000000000

(Arcane/Frost)///PvP
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?2300250310230150330120000000000000000000000000505320310005010000000

Fire Heavy:

(Pure fire)///omni
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?0000000000000000000000055523231231303125312510030000000000000000000

(Heavy fire with imp CS)///PvP
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?2500050300200000000000055523201000003105312510000000000000000000000

(Heavy fire with PoM)///PvP
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?2500050300230100000000055503201000003105311500000000000000000000000

(Fire Heavy Raid)///raid
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?2300550000020000000000050520200230303005312500030000000000000000000

(Fire Raider-PvPer)///omni
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?2300050000000000000000055510201230303105312510030000000000000000000

(Heavy fire Elementalist)///PvP (Stronger Fball, more PvE viable)
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?0000000000000000000000055503201000003105302502035020210005010000000

(Balance fire heavy elementalist)///PvP (Shorter CDs and imp CoC, less PvE viable)
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?0000000000000000000000055503201000003105310002035020310005013200000

(Scourch PvP)///PvP
Elementalist:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?0000000000000000000000005523201030003105000002035320310005013201000
Spell power: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?2300550310200150300120005523201030003103000000000000000000000000000

Frost Heavy:

(Pure frost)///omni
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000535323313235013251551

(Frost with Imp CS)///PvP
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?2500050300200000000000000000000000000000000000505320310205013251051

(Frost with PoM)///PvP
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?2500050300230100000000000000000000000000000000535320310105013201050

(Frost Elementalist)///PvP
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?0000000000000000000000005523201000200100000000525320310205013201050

(Frost/arc pure raid)///raid
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?2300550010030000000000000000000000000000000000535303310230010151051

Paladin

The Retnoob (44 ret / 17 holy) [2.0] LEVELLING LULZ?
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=syxhZZVfzt0cuiIot

The Reckadin (-)
RECK SUCKS NOW, GTFO.

The Healadin (47 holy / 14 prot) [2.0]
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=aVxuMgzGestVMuh

The Holydin (46 holy / 15 ret) [2.0]
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=qVxhMgzGestZVf0x

PvP Protection (13 Holy / 41 Prot / 7 Ret) [2.0]
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sVxhZVGdhMIdgt0oVb

The Tankadin (10 Holy / 44 prot / 7 ret) [2.0]
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=aVVZVGtI00dgtxoVb

Priests

Levelling:

10-14: 5/5 Spirit Tap
15-19: 5/5 Wand Spec (I'm serious.)
20-21: 2/2 Imp SW razz
22-24: 3/5 Shadow Focus
25: Mind Flay (This skill SUCKS before lvl36 anyway)
26-27: 5/5 Shadow Focus (HIGHLY recommended over Blackout)
28-29: 2/2 Imp Psychic Scream (Filler)
30-32: 3/3 Shadow Reach
33-37: 5/5 Shadow Weaving (Best available, not a grinding talent)
38: Silence
39: VE
40: Respec to http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?rZZxMgzctot
41-45: 5/5 Wand Spec
46-47: 2/2 Healing Focus
48-60: It doesn't really matter. At this point you could actually respec to Discipline. (http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?bVMrsVcoZf0xZx) Actually, with Spirit Tap, Divine Spirit, and Mental Strength, you could actually do BETTER in those last 10 levels. Work up to Force of Will, Power Infusion, and then Holy Specialization.

Rogues

Seal Fate/Prep Daggers
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=ihef0x0sVzZGcZEML0G0o

Combat Daggers
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fhef0x0oZGcVb0Ez0MGoZV

AR/Prep
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=i0xcZGcVb0Ez0zhoZEML0G0o

Stunlock
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=ihef0x0sVzZhZEMh0GhRo

Shaman

Read this: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11872487&sid=1

Warlock

Read this: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=81953310&sid=1

Warrior

Level like dis lulz:

go this, get cruelty first: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LAM0dGboZV

then respecc this: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=pZAbzmMgRVzio

then go this: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=pAM0dAboZAbzmMgRizb

Or sumthin like that. I forgot. I'll fix this part later.

Mutilate Builds Overview:
Mutilate is very dependent on circumstances. First, it requires your target to be poisoned to get the full damage from it. It's also positional requiring you to be behind your target to use it. These limitations make it unbearable to solo elementals since they cannot be poisoned or stunned. The pros to Mutiliate is that it is probably the most flexible out of all other specs for everything else. Mutilate benefits the most from Envenom because it is very easy to pick up the talent "Vile Poisons" for the increased damage and keeping Deadly Poison on your target helps the move Mutilate to it's full damage. Also, the cookie cutter builds are 41/20/0 and 41/0/20 but if you go 41/0/5 then you benefit entirely from Opportunity and have 15 discretionary points left over. My prefered Mutilate build is a PvP oriented 41/3/17.

Mutilate/Combat - 41/20/0
Example: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=whebov0sizVoGcVb0V

Ratings:
Arena 2vs.2: C
Arena 3vs.3: C
Arena 5vs.5: B
BGs: B
5-Mans: A
10 Mans: A
25 Mans: A
5-Man Heroic: A
World PvP: A+
Duels: A
Grinding: A

Mutilate/Subtlety - 41/0/20

Example: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=ihebov0sizVoZE0xcM

Ratings:
Arena 2vs.2: A
Arena 3vs.3: B
Arena 5vs.5: C
BGs: B+
5-Mans: B
10 Mans: B
25 Mans: B
5-Man Heroic: A
World PvP: A+
Duels: A+
Grinding: B

Combat Builds Overview:
Anyone who is serious about DPS in a raid setting should be speccing in a combat spec and spending at least 41 talent points. Other builds may come close to what combat can do but nothing will top it's sustained damage. It's also the best choice as the game progresses as it benefits the most from +hit, +haste and overall gear upgrades. In PvP, Combat builds excell at taking on our feared classes better than other specs. Bear Druids, Paladins and Warriors are still our banes but the combat spec makes them less effective with the extra Dodge and Parry, Extra +hit, DW spec, Riposte, BF and AR.

Combat Daggers

Example: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=i0gcoLZGcV0rEz0rMotV

Ratings:
Arena 2vs.2: C
Arena 3vs.3: D
Arena 5vs.5: D
BGs: C
5-Mans: B
10 Mans: A+
25 Mans: A+
5-Man Heroic: A
World PvP: B
Duels: D
Grinding: C

Combat Swords/Maces/Fists - 16/41/0 (4 points usable at your own discretion)

Example: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=ihe0oxZGcV0rVzxrhotb

Ratings:
Arena 2vs.2: B
Arena 3vs.3: B
Arena 5vs.5: C
BGs: B
5-Mans: A
10 Mans: A
25 Mans: B
5-Man Heroic: A
World PvP: A
Duels: A
Grinding: A+

Shadowstep Builds Overview:
No one hits out of stealth like a Shadowstep rogue. This build excells at getting the BIG crits early in the fight. It's very easy to Premed > Shadowstep > Ambush > 5 CP Evis and drop about any half health caster in PvP. That's 2-shotting. It's not really a practical spec for PvE in general as the sustained DPS just cannot compete. It's a flashy build but only really helps you kill classes you already could kill: Clothies and other Rogues.

Shadowstep - 17/3/41

Example: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=ihxcoxZhZE0ccMGRcxot

Ratings:
Arena 2vs.2: A
Arena 3vs.3: A
Arena 5vs.5: A
BGs: A
5-Mans: B
10 Mans: C
25 Mans: D
5-Man Heroic: C
World PvP: A+
Duels: A
Grinding: C

Arena Build - 30/0/31

Example: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fhecox0RiZZE0soMGR0xo

Ratings:
Arena 2vs.2: A+
Arena 3vs.3: A+
Arena 5vs.5: A
BGs: A
5-Mans: B
10 Mans: C
25 Mans: C
5-Man Heroic: C
World PvP: A+
Duels: A+
Grinding: C

Endless Stunlock - 32/3/26 (You hit like you are dual-weilding pillows, but you can lock someone up for a long time)

Example: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=iheboxosizZhZE0j0MhRo

Ratings:
Arena 2vs.2: A
Arena 3vs.3: A
Arena 5vs.5: B
BGs: B
5-Mans: B
10 Mans: C
25 Mans: D
5-Man Heroic: C
World PvP: A+
Duels: A+
Grinding: D


The True Man's Build for Manly Men - 0/0/0


Example: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=i

Ratings:
E-Peen: A+
Bragging Rights: A+
LOL in General: A+
LOL in Forums: A+
Respect from Max: A+

Soppon
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Izmar

PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:09 pm


Please put this in the main forum gonk

No one ever visits subforums.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:34 am


Izmar
Please put this in the main forum gonk

No one ever visits subforums.
Then how did you post this. eek Are you a witch!?

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Soppon
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:19 am


Demon Fenrir
Izmar
Please put this in the main forum gonk

No one ever visits subforums.
Then how did you post this. eek Are you a witch!?

Quick, let's throw him in the river and see if he floats! Of course the only problem is if he's actually a duck.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:45 am


Soppon
Demon Fenrir
Izmar
Please put this in the main forum gonk

No one ever visits subforums.
Then how did you post this. eek Are you a witch!?

Quick, let's throw him in the river and see if he floats! Of course the only problem is if he's actually a duck.
Then we just cook 'im and eat 'im. domokun

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Izmar

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:38 pm


crying
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:12 pm


Izmar
crying
Relax, the death shall be quick, painless, and PETA friendly hopefully

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PrototypeHastur

PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:02 am


I disagree with several of the talent points, but generally they are alright.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:53 am


WTF how does ret suck? And no, I will not "GTFO" you can ******** explain is what you can do.

Edit: I'm sorry to go off like that, but you present no evidence that ret sucks now. I know of atleast 3 60+ Paladins that are ret. and have done Kara, AQ and a few of the other pre-BC end game instances and they all do just fine.

MagnusHansen


PrototypeHastur

PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:28 am


MagnusHansen
WTF how does ret suck? And no, I will not "GTFO" you can ******** explain is what you can do.

Edit: I'm sorry to go off like that, but you present no evidence that ret sucks now. I know of atleast 3 60+ Paladins that are ret. and have done Kara, AQ and a few of the other pre-BC end game instances and they all do just fine.


Reason that Ret sucks...

Ret paladins can't really heal.

Ret paladins is classed as Constant DPS in raids
--> however, their damage is absolutely out-shined by Rogue combo
constant/burst DPS, Shadow Priest Raid usefulness, and Mages new classification of a Burst/constant class in raids thanks to invisibility and evocation.

Ret paladins normally can't tank.

Only real use for Ret paladins is for Imp. Sanctity Aura, and even that, it is only useful if they are in the party of tanks.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:24 pm


PrototypeHastur
MagnusHansen
WTF how does ret suck? And no, I will not "GTFO" you can ******** explain is what you can do.

Edit: I'm sorry to go off like that, but you present no evidence that ret sucks now. I know of atleast 3 60+ Paladins that are ret. and have done Kara, AQ and a few of the other pre-BC end game instances and they all do just fine.


Reason that Ret sucks...

Ret paladins can't really heal.

Ret paladins is classed as Constant DPS in raids
--> however, their damage is absolutely out-shined by Rogue combo
constant/burst DPS, Shadow Priest Raid usefulness, and Mages new classification of a Burst/constant class in raids thanks to invisibility and evocation.

Ret paladins normally can't tank.

Only real use for Ret paladins is for Imp. Sanctity Aura, and even that, it is only useful if they are in the party of tanks.
    Ret paladins only suck in end-game. In instances, they need to be regarded as a DPS class that is specced the way they are because it's required, a lot like cat druids.

    Also, ret owns fairly hard in PvP., although Prot can be better in some circumstances. I would prefer Protection for PvP, but only 70 PvP. Before then, Ret owns it. Ret is also fastest levelling specc until 55+. You're dumb, shutup.

The Mule Of Max


The Mule Of Max

PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:26 pm


MagnusHansen
WTF how does ret suck? And no, I will not "GTFO" you can ******** explain is what you can do.

Edit: I'm sorry to go off like that, but you present no evidence that ret sucks now. I know of atleast 3 60+ Paladins that are ret. and have done Kara, AQ and a few of the other pre-BC end game instances and they all do just fine.
    I didn't say RET sucked.

    LEARN TO READ a*****e.

    I said RECK sucks. As in recklessness.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:33 pm


Max`s Mule
PrototypeHastur
MagnusHansen
WTF how does ret suck? And no, I will not "GTFO" you can ******** explain is what you can do.

Edit: I'm sorry to go off like that, but you present no evidence that ret sucks now. I know of atleast 3 60+ Paladins that are ret. and have done Kara, AQ and a few of the other pre-BC end game instances and they all do just fine.


Reason that Ret sucks...

Ret paladins can't really heal.

Ret paladins is classed as Constant DPS in raids
--> however, their damage is absolutely out-shined by Rogue combo
constant/burst DPS, Shadow Priest Raid usefulness, and Mages new classification of a Burst/constant class in raids thanks to invisibility and evocation.

Ret paladins normally can't tank.

Only real use for Ret paladins is for Imp. Sanctity Aura, and even that, it is only useful if they are in the party of tanks.
    Ret paladins only suck in end-game. In instances, they need to be regarded as a DPS class that is specced the way they are because it's required, a lot like cat druids.

    Also, ret owns fairly hard in PvP., although Prot can be better in some circumstances. I would prefer Protection for PvP, but only 70 PvP. Before then, Ret owns it. Ret is also fastest levelling specc until 55+. You're dumb, shutup.


DPSadins exist as much as Resto Shammys. Meaning, very very minimal. Give me a mage for DPS anyday because they make water <3

Ret spec is mediocre in the PvP department. But only in group PvP where they are fairly ignored altogether. Go Holy If you want to Arena. And Arena is where all the pvp is at anyway.

It doesn't really matter what spec you are for lvling a Paladin because either way you go, it'll be slow. So It's like choosing between a turtles pace to a snail's pace, big whoop in that department.

Shush Max's Mule. Nothing is so linear as you view it =3

PrototypeHastur


MagnusHansen

PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:57 am


Max`s Mule
MagnusHansen
WTF how does ret suck? And no, I will not "GTFO" you can ******** explain is what you can do.

Edit: I'm sorry to go off like that, but you present no evidence that ret sucks now. I know of atleast 3 60+ Paladins that are ret. and have done Kara, AQ and a few of the other pre-BC end game instances and they all do just fine.
    I didn't say RET sucked.

    LEARN TO READ a*****e.

    I said RECK sucks. As in recklessness.


And learn how to tolerate other's mistakes a bit better douche bag.

I'm sorry I misread it, but the combination of lysdexia and poor vision is not kind to me.
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