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Dark Regrets

PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:12 pm


Ok. I'm Roman Catholic and I love this guild...but you're really straining my love, people. confused

What's all this 'be kind and respectful to members and their faith' and then people stereotype Catholics as 'brimstone spewing, exclusive groups'? I won't stand for it, especially when respect is shown for everyone else.

I kindly remind you that we all follow Christ. And whatever you see in media, or whatever group you've met, I can tell you as a Catholic MANY THINGS YOU SAY ARE UN-TRUE AND DOWN-RIGHT INSULTING.

This won't change my attempt at helping, but I want people to ask questions and I hope to answer them- as kindly, respectfully, and as fully as I can. HOWEVER, if you do NOT belong to the Roman Cathlic faith, please refrain from posting what you believe to be true. I'd be very happy to answer things for you-CORRECTLY.

Any Catholics are free to help answer questions, as well as post a few.

But please, nothing like:'OMG! WHY DO YOU HATE ME?'

Answer: I don't...Geez. I follow God's teachings and try to be my best. I sin, we all sin, but please...nothing like this. It's not even a good question anymore. o.o

And I won't use any wikipedia text. All of this is taken straight from teachings, life, and love in the Catholic Church. I won't spew texts out that won't have any heart in them- I will, however, quote the Bible if need be. I don't, believe it or not (and niether does the Roman Catholic Church)condemn all to a firey hell.

All I ask is that you are respectful, and do not assume things.


I heart you all. But that does not mean I will accept sin. I will right away state I do not accept gay relationships because it is against my faith. I will answer questions if need be.

Thank you, and remember to be respectful. Because Catholics deserve it.
(Reminder: I am ROMAN CATHOLIC. I will answer questions based on MY faith.)
PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:44 pm


I understand your concern. It is not right to bash other religions in any circumstance, but you have to be patient with us who do not understand where you come from. There have been some that have been wronged by certain churches and they are just voicing their dissatisfaction. Not all churches follow God's word closely or hold it close to their hearts and this dissatisfaction is a product of that. No one can say that only Catholic churches are like this, I know for a fact that there are worse churches of other denominations (which I care not to mention). The best that we can ask of you is to clear up our misconceptions and tell us when we have wronged you so that we may have a chance to apologize. I hope that we can come to better understand each other.

Lithanus
Captain


rolandgarros

PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:25 pm


Hey, we do not see where you are coming from, either, Lithanus. So why are we not overly criticizing Protestants and saying they are wrong like you are to us? Does this say something?

Oh, and I am firmly Roman Catholic
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:10 am


I realize this, and I apologize for my actions. I'm working on it. I just have some bad habits that are hard to shake, thank you both for catching me on this. I hope to avoid this in the future.

Lithanus
Captain


Dark Regrets

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:45 am


rolandgarros
Hey, we do not see where you are coming from, either, Lithanus. So why are we not overly criticizing Protestants and saying they are wrong like you are to us? Does this say something?

Oh, and I am firmly Roman Catholic


-hugs-

Thank you. ^_^And Lithanus thanks for taking the step-forward.

I'd just like to say that if people have been hurt, they should ask questions rather than attack the Catholics in this guild. It doesn't help anyone, and it doesn't give healing. I'm willing to talk with them, so long as they don't get into a state of pure anger and spite. And as you can see, there are Roman Catholics willing to help out.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:30 am


Ok, I have final exams but I will attempt to reply to as many questions as I can, as soon as I can.

IMPORTANT: I have no grudge against other Christians. I will answer these ASAP to the best of my ability and clear things up as well. All I ask in return is respect, kindness, and understanding. There have been bad apples in the past- Popes who did things wrong, and people who killed others- but each Church is not without sins. Because we are people- and we mess up. The important thing is that we all love Christ, and we should focus on love, rather than point out each others faults. As in the example I gave with the germans, anything can be applied: the slaughter in Rwanda, etc. we can't judge people by a group who did something wrong. It's unfair, and not what Christ would have wanted.

* The Catholic church don't view non-Catholics as 'evil', but then how does the Catholic church view them?

(We view you as our brothers and sisters in the union of Christ. Just yesterday in Mass the Priest refered to Protestants as 'our brothers and sisters in faith'. I have no clue what kind of people you encounter, but many who claim to be 'Catholics' aren't even strong in faith! We believe you are misguided from the path that Peter, the first Pope and founder of the Church (As Christ wanted). Think of it in a simpler way: I give you an essay. I state rules. You go do the essay, but you believe that you have a better idea, and some of the rules aren't fair. So you do your own thing and look back to me to see if you did that essay right. Sure, you've done the OVERALL point of the essay, but you've directly broken the rules for the essay and have directly ignored what I wanted you to do. That's the same thing. We don't hate you. We simply think that as is with the essay, you strayed from important rules God set (such as divorce). So don't think we look down on you. I don't know how you view Roman Catholics, but we certainly don't hate on you, or anyone.)



* Also, what is it required for one to be with God, and not go to hell, according to Catholisicm?
(First off, a lot of people seem to say : "CATHOLICS WILLT TELL YOU TO BURN IN HELL!"
That's wrong. We, I speak for Roman Catholics, see hell not as fire and brimstone- that is symbolism, just as there is symbolism in the Bible. Hell is a place without God, where people suffer in their own misery where they know they turned away from God. That destroys them from within. The fact they know God extended a hand and they turned away from him. At least, that's a major teaching I have kept with me.
Simply follow the Ten Commandments and have faith in God- then you won't go to hell. That and going to Church each Sunday sets a stronger faith in you- think about it. Is setting aside an hour a week that hard for you, and all this for the God you love? That's how strong Catholics feel. Of course, by trusting in god is the way, and loving him. The Final Judgement is not for us to decide, so in the end we don't play God and state 'so-and-so will burn in hell'. Nope. We depend on Gods will.)


* As for confession, what are the scriptures that state specifically that we are required to have a priest to intercede our prayers?
(The Scriptures and the passages are right in front of. Look at Baptism. It doesn't repeat over and over: "BAPTISM! DO IT!" It is an example of Chirst. John the Baptist was the first to do this, and so we do it in Church. Same for sins. The message in the Bible is to go to Christ and ask for forgiveness; Jesus gave Peter the command of His Church to help and heal people. He forgave sins in the name of Jesus Christ. And so do his followers to this day. Priests are called upon by God to serve Him- and form a marriage of faith only to Him (which is why Priests don't get married). So, thus, as long ago, we speak to God through Priests, rather than just talking to them. When I go to confession I hear the voice of God in my heart, not through my ears.)

* On the same token, what are the scriptures that support asking saints to intercede for us?
I feel that people put too much emphasis by following the Bible word for word. That shouldn't be the case, as I have been taught in school and in life. Follow the Bible, but the words do NOT mean things literally in many cases. I could go and hunt down many passages regarding saints and prayer, but this has been maily linked to Church. We pray that they look OVER us, and pray in our name. Just like Mary. We pray that Mary will stand on our name and help us to live a better life, closer to God.

* How do you feel about the horrible actions of the catholic church over the past 1000 years or so?
This question amuses me. Everyone who is Christian should ask themselves that, especially since we were ALL one group during 1000 years. So my actions are your actions, and they are past actions. I hope you realize that the Church is not something that is a separate place. It is a body of people. We are the Church. Past actions were justified by people. So we are all sinners. Now, if you ask for my PERSONAL opinion, I feel bad. But Pope John Paul II adressed this issue and fought for forgiveness and a better world. We can't do anything else but ask for forgiveness, learn from our mistakes, and thus lead a better life TODAY.

* What is the view on Marriage?
You can check the Bible since Catholics follow that. Specifics? A man and a woman. I'm sure we can all find the passage against homosexuality.

Do you pray to angels or Mary?
Mary we pray to for protection and a link to Jesus Christ. We ask Mary to guide us and become better people. I personally oly pray to my Guardian Angels to watch over me.


Do you believe water baptism is essential to salvation?
Yes. this is the guideline that we follow to become pure and able to accept Christ. This is what we are asked to do. I can't say what God has in store for those who don't do it. It is a symbol of love for God. Christ did this, and so we do it as well.

Do you believe the pope is infallible?
Any specifics? The Pope is human and is able to make mistakes. God knows there have been Popes that have not acted in a Catholic way. But the Pope is human, just like Peter was, but he guides us. I take great pride in Pope John Paul II as he was able to adress issues that have been ignored.

Do you beleive that water can be holy?
If blessed in Church by a Priest, yes. God works through the Priest.


*How important would you say "works" are for salvation?
Very important. Remember that God said to multiply our gifts and use them to enrich our lives as well as others. God has asked us to be kind, and we shall be rewarded. Of course, I can't say that sinners can't be forgiven. There have been people who returned to Church heavy with sin and God has forgiven them.

For many of these issues it's best to read the Bible. Catholics follow the Bible. If you have any other personal questions, please PM me. Be aware that I am very busy at university and it may take some time for me to answer.

Dark Regrets


Gaylord Mule 3

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:05 pm


see personaly i feel as though i have a right to talk crap about catholosism. I was an alter boy. and aside from that as good a catholic as any other 14 year old boy could hope to be. but i started thinkign about a few things. as i saw it then, and i guess as i tend to see it now. catholosism is not a monotheistic christain relegion. it is a polytheistic basteardisation of chrisitanity. i know that's gonna bring alot of heat down so let me explain. the intersession of the saints made no sence ot me and still dosen't. firstly they are(or i guess since they're dead they 'were') human. so if i can pray to a human or ask a human to put in a good word for me with God. Secondly if the principle of asking dead people to intecede for me is in fact workable, then why the saints? i mean my grandmother knew me better, why couldn't i just ask her instead? but then we get into anscestor worship, and no one wants to bring that up.

Also, look through history teh catholic church has had its fat hands in a whole lot of pies. they ran the western world. all of it.The 'fish on friday thing' was enacted to help boost a failing economy. The anti-contraception platform is based mostly on keeping the pews filled. Hell, they tried to sell tickets to heaven. that's why the lutherans came out. also they have the longest track record of murder, torture, corruption and greed than any other church. the inquisition, the crusades, the witch burnings. and yes every time someone spoke out against them thaty person was either excomunicated or tortured and then killed as a heretic. (or both).

the modern catholic is more laid back than this. But not much. My own mother was disowned by her devout catholic father for getting a divorce. at least until her anulment came back on paper form a bishop. the bishop said that because my father is a baptist that God didn't recognize the mariage in the first place. So tell me is the catholic chruch not just as self rightious as it is painted?

oh an mary had more kids than just Jesus. trust me on that.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:49 am


Lazarus The Resurected
see personaly i feel as though i have a right to talk crap about catholosism. I was an alter boy. and aside from that as good a catholic as any other 14 year old boy could hope to be. but i started thinkign about a few things. as i saw it then, and i guess as i tend to see it now. catholosism is not a monotheistic christain relegion. it is a polytheistic basteardisation of chrisitanity. i know that's gonna bring alot of heat down so let me explain. the intersession of the saints made no sence ot me and still dosen't. firstly they are(or i guess since they're dead they 'were') human. so if i can pray to a human or ask a human to put in a good word for me with God. Secondly if the principle of asking dead people to intecede for me is in fact workable, then why the saints? i mean my grandmother knew me better, why couldn't i just ask her instead? but then we get into anscestor worship, and no one wants to bring that up.

Also, look through history teh catholic church has had its fat hands in a whole lot of pies. they ran the western world. all of it.The 'fish on friday thing' was enacted to help boost a failing economy. The anti-contraception platform is based mostly on keeping the pews filled. Hell, they tried to sell tickets to heaven. that's why the lutherans came out. also they have the longest track record of murder, torture, corruption and greed than any other church. the inquisition, the crusades, the witch burnings. and yes every time someone spoke out against them thaty person was either excomunicated or tortured and then killed as a heretic. (or both).

the modern catholic is more laid back than this. But not much. My own mother was disowned by her devout catholic father for getting a divorce. at least until her anulment came back on paper form a bishop. the bishop said that because my father is a baptist that God didn't recognize the mariage in the first place. So tell me is the catholic chruch not just as self rightious as it is painted?

oh an mary had more kids than just Jesus. trust me on that.


I will reply to all of this (as I stated, I have exams now). I have this to say:

YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TALK CRAP ABOUT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

That aside, don't forget that every side of faith has had bad things happen. Because we are HUMAN. HUMANS SIN. So don't go spouting as if the Catholic faith is evil. You wouldn't have the faith of Christ if it weren't for the Rock of the Church Roman Catholics built.

I have no idea where you're coming from. people can't just break rules. That seems to be the reason people dislike Catholics. We follow the guidelines of the Church- not break them. Marriage is sacred. You can't just break a bond God made eteranl because you feel like it. That's part of the problem- people want to play God and decide what they want to do, and what they don't want to do.

Dark Regrets


rolandgarros

PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:34 pm


Quite right darkregrets. Plus, lazarus, if you truly want to serve the Lord you shouldnt be going around attacking the Catholic Church, which is still part of the Body of Christ.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:22 pm


Dark Regrets
Lazarus The Resurected
see personaly i feel as though i have a right to talk crap about catholosism. I was an alter boy. and aside from that as good a catholic as any other 14 year old boy could hope to be. but i started thinkign about a few things. as i saw it then, and i guess as i tend to see it now. catholosism is not a monotheistic christain relegion. it is a polytheistic basteardisation of chrisitanity. i know that's gonna bring alot of heat down so let me explain. the intersession of the saints made no sence ot me and still dosen't. firstly they are(or i guess since they're dead they 'were') human. so if i can pray to a human or ask a human to put in a good word for me with God. Secondly if the principle of asking dead people to intecede for me is in fact workable, then why the saints? i mean my grandmother knew me better, why couldn't i just ask her instead? but then we get into anscestor worship, and no one wants to bring that up.

Also, look through history teh catholic church has had its fat hands in a whole lot of pies. they ran the western world. all of it.The 'fish on friday thing' was enacted to help boost a failing economy. The anti-contraception platform is based mostly on keeping the pews filled. Hell, they tried to sell tickets to heaven. that's why the lutherans came out. also they have the longest track record of murder, torture, corruption and greed than any other church. the inquisition, the crusades, the witch burnings. and yes every time someone spoke out against them thaty person was either excomunicated or tortured and then killed as a heretic. (or both).

the modern catholic is more laid back than this. But not much. My own mother was disowned by her devout catholic father for getting a divorce. at least until her anulment came back on paper form a bishop. the bishop said that because my father is a baptist that God didn't recognize the mariage in the first place. So tell me is the catholic chruch not just as self rightious as it is painted?

oh an mary had more kids than just Jesus. trust me on that.


I will reply to all of this (as I stated, I have exams now). I have this to say:

YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TALK CRAP ABOUT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

That aside, don't forget that every side of faith has had bad things happen. Because we are HUMAN. HUMANS SIN. So don't go spouting as if the Catholic faith is evil. You wouldn't have the faith of Christ if it weren't for the Rock of the Church Roman Catholics built.

I have no idea where you're coming from. people can't just break rules. That seems to be the reason people dislike Catholics. We follow the guidelines of the Church- not break them. Marriage is sacred. You can't just break a bond God made eteranl because you feel like it. That's part of the problem- people want to play God and decide what they want to do, and what they don't want to do.

Wow I have so much to say I don't even know where to start. I do want you to know that I mean NONE of what I say here personally! I'll just say this: I am Lutheran.

I am very proud of the background of the Lutheran denomination. Luther literally defied the heart of the corruption in Europe during his time. I'm not saying that I hate the Catholics (I know several Catholics that I consider wonderful people), but I am saying that they were corrupt and he did what nobody else could even dream or dare to do. Face it Dark Regrets, the Catholic Church did some pretty horrible things: oppressing the people, taxing them unfairly for things that weren't nessessary like extravagant temples (a God's house should punish ANYBODY with starvation and poverty), and the biggest one: selling indulgances.

You probably haven't seen the movie Luther, but I think it explains very well what went on in Europe through the Catholic Church. Luther simply decided something that many people thought was sacreligious: the Catholics were not doing God's will.

By the way, would you please explain exactly what rules have we (the Protestants) broken in regards to your essay example thing?

Googlewhack


Gaylord Mule 3

PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:26 pm


Dark Regrets
Lazarus The Resurected
see personaly i feel as though i have a right to talk crap about catholosism. I was an alter boy. and aside from that as good a catholic as any other 14 year old boy could hope to be. but i started thinkign about a few things. as i saw it then, and i guess as i tend to see it now. catholosism is not a monotheistic christain relegion. it is a polytheistic basteardisation of chrisitanity. i know that's gonna bring alot of heat down so let me explain. the intersession of the saints made no sence ot me and still dosen't. firstly they are(or i guess since they're dead they 'were') human. so if i can pray to a human or ask a human to put in a good word for me with God. Secondly if the principle of asking dead people to intecede for me is in fact workable, then why the saints? i mean my grandmother knew me better, why couldn't i just ask her instead? but then we get into anscestor worship, and no one wants to bring that up.

Also, look through history teh catholic church has had its fat hands in a whole lot of pies. they ran the western world. all of it.The 'fish on friday thing' was enacted to help boost a failing economy. The anti-contraception platform is based mostly on keeping the pews filled. Hell, they tried to sell tickets to heaven. that's why the lutherans came out. also they have the longest track record of murder, torture, corruption and greed than any other church. the inquisition, the crusades, the witch burnings. and yes every time someone spoke out against them thaty person was either excomunicated or tortured and then killed as a heretic. (or both).

the modern catholic is more laid back than this. But not much. My own mother was disowned by her devout catholic father for getting a divorce. at least until her anulment came back on paper form a bishop. the bishop said that because my father is a baptist that God didn't recognize the mariage in the first place. So tell me is the catholic chruch not just as self rightious as it is painted?

oh an mary had more kids than just Jesus. trust me on that.


I will reply to all of this (as I stated, I have exams now). I have this to say:

YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TALK CRAP ABOUT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

That aside, don't forget that every side of faith has had bad things happen. Because we are HUMAN. HUMANS SIN. So don't go spouting as if the Catholic faith is evil. You wouldn't have the faith of Christ if it weren't for the Rock of the Church Roman Catholics built.

I have no idea where you're coming from. people can't just break rules. That seems to be the reason people dislike Catholics. We follow the guidelines of the Church- not break them. Marriage is sacred. You can't just break a bond God made eteranl because you feel like it. That's part of the problem- people want to play God and decide what they want to do, and what they don't want to do.


Oh ********! i didn't realize that without the Catholics Christianity wouldn't exist! I'm so sorry for slighting your faith! Oh, wait, no I'm not. I never said the Catholic faith is evil. I said the organization of the Cathoic church has a history of corruption. get the facts straight. or is it a combination of the two most powerfull tools of cathlolisism that causes you to lash out like that (the tools being guilt and self-rightiousness) see i don't hate catholics i hate the mentality that the church expected from me. half of my family is catholic my garndfather is KofC and i still break bread with the catholics on occasion. that dosen't stop me from being right abotu the churches shady past.

People can't mjust break rules? you mean rules like "Thou shalt not kill" ? or maybe "thou shalt not have false Gods before me"? here's one(paraphasing) 'Don't make carved religious statues'
well, let me think. don't kill, oops too late. don't pray to any one but the Father, damn, sorry! Don't worship graven images, s**t does the crucifix count.

A bond God made eternal? did you not listen to the backstorry? I just said according to a guy who wears a bigger hat than me (thus he must be more important) God didn't bless this union because one of them wasn't a catholic. so yeah that bond was easily broken. and divorce isn't entered into lightly, people don't usualy just get them because they feel like it.
People wanting to play God is a definite problem. *cough* past popes *cough* and i've already mentioned where they played in my first post.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:29 pm


rolandgarros
Quite right darkregrets. Plus, lazarus, if you truly want to serve the Lord you shouldnt be going around attacking the Catholic Church, which is still part of the Body of Christ.


i'm not attacking anyone. I'm mentioning flaws the chruch would rather keep covered up. i have more too, i'm just saving them. here's a question though why is it that i cannot dis the catholic church because it is still part of the body of christ and yet they can diss on other christians?

Gaylord Mule 3


flineagle

PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:51 pm


I just hope Dark Regrets and everyone here realizes that Lazurus does not speak as a representative for this guild, nor for the body of Christ.

Lazurus it is not okay for you to disrespect anyone just because you do not like the catholic faith. If you have an issue with it then do not be catholic. If someone is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to do otherwise then contact the police, not chrsitians.

If you are looking to answer questions or worries then please be a bit more considerate of our beliefs and feelings. If you are looking for an intelligent debate then please find a logical arguement and a sensible way to argue it.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:05 am


Wow I have so much to say I don't even know where to start. I do want you to know that I mean NONE of what I say here personally! I'll just say this: I am Lutheran.

I am very proud of the background of the Lutheran denomination. Luther literally defied the heart of the corruption in Europe during his time. I'm not saying that I hate the Catholics (I know several Catholics that I consider wonderful people), but I am saying that they were corrupt and he did what nobody else could even dream or dare to do. Face it Dark Regrets, the Catholic Church did some pretty horrible things: oppressing the people, taxing them unfairly for things that weren't nessessary like extravagant temples (a God's house should punish ANYBODY with starvation and poverty), and the biggest one: selling indulgances.

You probably haven't seen the movie Luther, but I think it explains very well what went on in Europe through the Catholic Church. Luther simply decided something that many people thought was sacreligious: the Catholics were not doing God's will.

By the way, would you please explain exactly what rules have we (the Protestants) broken in regards to your essay example thing?


Very nice, but why don't you settle on looking at the dark side of your church? And maybe realizing that your Christian faith came from the Roman Catholic faith.

Stop preaching at me, this is a board for me to understand and reply to questions.

And niether are you by spouting hate, mmmkay? Why don't I dig up some dirt on you, because I'm sure you haven't sinned, and niether have your people. Because believe me, I can pull things out on the Lutherans, but I won't because that would be horrible, stereo-typical, judgemental,and disrepectful. So why don't you take that into account and to the Christian thing. There isn't one of you who isn't at fault.

Some Christian group this guild has become. I don't know about you, but my faith has taught me to forgive and love. We all make mistakes and sins, we're people. And hating others isn't what Christ would want. See, so many views that don't understand. I don't get other views, so I don't think it's fair for me to attack them...wouldn't I be proving I don't understand the teachings of Christ? Catholics are good people, and just becausein the past parts of faith filled people did things wrong doesn't mean we do now.

Dark Regrets


Dark Regrets

PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:09 am


flineagle
I just hope Dark Regrets and everyone here realizes that Lazurus does not speak as a representative for this guild, nor for the body of Christ.

Lazurus it is not okay for you to disrespect anyone just because you do not like the catholic faith. If you have an issue with it then do not be catholic. If someone is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to do otherwise then contact the police, not chrsitians.

If you are looking to answer questions or worries then please be a bit more considerate of our beliefs and feelings. If you are looking for an intelligent debate then please find a logical arguement and a sensible way to argue it.


-hugs- 3nodding

Thank you. FINALLY what this guild is about.
If Catholics are so mean and evil why don't you see me spouting hate at other faiths, hmmm? Seems to me others are the ones who are not doing the Christian thing by attacking Catholics. Look at your own faults before you point out others, because I'm sticking out the other cheek, but if you push me to a point, I will defend my faith.

Big applause for Eagle for doing a Christian thing, and proving we are sisters and brothers of Christ. So stop spouting your feelings because this isn't the board for it people. Asking questions is what I set up here. And respect us. Because we respect you.

So start following what Christ taught, okay? Eagle and a handful of others are doing this, so be ashamed and follow their attitudes.
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