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 Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:03 pm
Why is America ruled by Christianity?
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:05 pm
Are we ruled by it? I challenge someone, anyone, to really prove that. Many of the values found in Christianity are common to many of the other world religions, so how can we say for sure the values are "Christian" or we're ruled by "Christianity" when many principles in that religion are shared by so many others? It is not an easy puzzle to sort out.
I think you could make the assertion that we're ruled by those who self-identify as Christian, but that is obviously only because they're in the majority of the population. That's different from saying we're a theocracy, however. We're not.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:56 pm
Well, I wouldn't say that we're "ruled" by Christianity, so much as we're visibly influenced by it. Not so much in the basic values of our society, but in that there are way more controversies surrounding the Christian faith than any other.
With a whopping 76.5% of Americans labeling themselves as "Christian", there are bound to be issues regarding the faith. Take "Sweet Jesus", for example. A California artist recreated an anatomically correct (READ: with the p***s) statue of a crucified Jesus: made of chocolate. The artist cited his inspiration as making the body of Christ out of something sweet, which he thought his message amounted to. He also commented on how he was Catholic. Now, the Catholic League obviously was offended by this, and boycotted the hotel and gallery that was to exhibit it. As a result, the hotel and gallery backed out of the deal.
Now, there is no way to say that this isn't a result of Christianity's heavy influence on American culture. it isn't like the 500 or so people who boycotted the hotel are in the majority, so it isn't democracy at work. It's a small, special interest group. If they had been Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Pagan, they certainly would not have backed out of whatever display would offend those groups.
Another example: the famous case of the Alabama courthouse and the Ten Commandments. Surely that's an excellent example of Christian saturation in American culture, no?
Details on the Sweet Jesus case can be found at cnn.com.
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:25 am
i agree with the others i wouldn't say we are ruled by it but i do agree that we were founded on it, we moved here to escape religious persecution against those who believe that it is god and only god, no trinity, not holy spirit and no son, if anything i would say that we are ruled by atheism, where it is socially acceptable to say oh my god or goddammit, but as soon as someone says prise god they get a look of aw on there face and and beep it out.
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:52 am
nishabutt i agree with the others i wouldn't say we are ruled by it but i do agree that we were founded on it, we moved here to escape religious persecution against those who believe that it is god and only god, no trinity, not holy spirit and no son, if anything i would say that we are ruled by atheism, where it is socially acceptable to say oh my god or goddammit, but as soon as someone says prise god they get a look of aw on there face and and beep it out.
Silliness. America was NOT founded on Christianity, as none of the Founding Fathers were Christians. They were Freemasons. And I have no idea where you got all of that "no trinity, no holy spirit, no son" rubbish, but it's bollocks as well. The Church of England is essentially Catholicism without the issue with Divorce, and no Papacy. They don't deny the Trinity, nor do they deny the SOn (Indeed, if they did, they wouldn't be Christians!). We are not ruled by atheism, atheists are the LEAST TRUSTED GROUP IN AMERICA ON AVERAGE, behind Jews, Hindus, and even Muslims. Atheism can only thrive because of that wonderful clause in the Constitution which protects us from Religion in government.
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:42 pm
no i disagree with that because i was raised roman catholic and i as i have grown more and more into what i thought was what my church taught i was only further and further from what they beleive, " god does not come as the form of a trinity but as one and that is GOD" and i also have other beliefes that the church just couldnt wait to prove me worng on!
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:30 pm
You're babbling with about the level of coherency as a drunken delerict under a bridge. Either type in comprehensible sentences, or don't both typing at all. I would respond, but I can't make heads or tails of whatever it is you "said".
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:45 pm
what i am saying u illiterate moron that america was found by PURITANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what do you think christianity stemmed from!?!?!?!?!?!? we are just a less pushy, more leaniant version! scream
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A Murder of Angels Captain
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:06 am
Axeman, contribute to the topic or don't post. Yes, Nisha's post was unclear, but I won't tolerate members insulting each other, no matter how intellectually worded the insult may be.
Nisha, would you mind rephrasing your statement more clearly so we can understand better?
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:38 am
okay so the way it is put is that, our fore fathers moved here to escape religious persecution but why?..... because they were puritans ( the original form of christianity) hence why we fight so hard for what it is that we are trying to say.
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:16 pm
Nisha: http://nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm
The USA was founded on Freemason values.
http://hnn.us/articles/9144.html
Jon Butler, Dean of the Graduate School of Arts & Sciences at Yale University: "Well, first of all, it [The United States] wasn't [founded on Christian values]."
Hey, this is fun. And, look, he says it again, right here: "United States wasn't founded as a Christian country".
...I can't resist it. Here's the Dean of the Graduate School of Arts & Sciences at Yale University, again, totally contradicting you. "Religion played very little role in the American Revolution and it played very little role in the making of the Constitution. That's largely because the Founding Fathers were on the whole deists who had a very abstract conception of God, whose view of God was not a God who acted in the world today and manipulated events in a way that actually changed the course of human history. Their view of religion was really a view that stressed ethics and morals rather than a direct divine intervention."
Uh oh. Evidence is starting to pile up, here. More for you:
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html
"The 1796 treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was "in no sense founded on the Christian religion" (see below). This was not an idle statement, meant to satisfy muslims-- they believed it and meant it. This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams."
And, finally, because I'm really sick of driving the point home:
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/farrell_till/myth.html
"Fundamentalist Christians are currently working overtime to convince the American public that the founding fathers intended to establish this country on "biblical principles," but history simply does not support their view. The men mentioned above and others who were instrumental in the founding of our nation were in no sense Bible-believing Christians. Thomas Jefferson, in fact, was fiercely anti-cleric. In a letter to Horatio Spafford in 1814, Jefferson said, "In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty."
Nisha: You're just wrong on the issue. Really, you are. I have mountains of proof. Don't bother trying to debunk me unless you do, too.
AMOA: I insulted nobody, I simply stated fact. And, why yes, I did do it rather eloquently, thank you.
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:50 pm
i give up............ i think everything ive ever been taught is a lie. stressed
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:45 am
nishabutt i give up............ i think everything ive ever been taught is a lie. stressed
That's what we're here for, to inform. Ask, and ye shall receive.
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:18 pm
scream scream scream scream scream scream scream burning_eyes
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:48 pm
Try to include at least one English word in your posts. I realize that asking for a coherent sentence is a little too much for you, but, please, try to keep emoticon use to a minimum. It doesn't convey any other message than "Hey, all, look at me, I'm far under the maturity level to be in here".
So, if you have any VALID questions, I'll be glad to address them. But don't pull posts like that.
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