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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:34 am
I think we need a new topic in here, sooo.... here ya go! biggrin
There is a saying that one should not criticize another individual until one has walked a mile in their shoes. While most often I dislike such simple sayings, this one has its value. People often criticize others. Sometimes they do so with legitimate cause, but often such judgements are angry and filled with haste, not careful consideration. We're all traped inside our own heads, and its easy to forget that others do not see things the same as we do. They lead different lives, they have had different experiences, and are under the influence of a different set of genes.
Regardless of the truth of this saying, it also has it's rediculous elements. Humans must judge to survive. We all form expectations and constructs of how the world is. We use them to guide our behavior and to predict what will happen in the future. Perhaps it is so difficult for us to walk in another's shoes because it's a defense mechanism of sorts? To keep us who we are? In that case, is it really that bad to criticize? Since we're all inveitably trapped in our own heads anyway, why reach out when it tends to shatter our personal constructs? (for those of you who aren't Kellian psych lovers, the shattering of constructs can cause immense discomfort ranging from anxiety to threat and agression).
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:54 am
I feel that critisism directed at an individual, and judgement to survive are two different things. I personally do not find it that difficult to relate to others, or to walk in their shoes, as you say. People tend to be apathetic by nature as a defence mechanism. This is more likely a way to avoid weighing themslf down with the burdens of another persons life. They don't want to feel another person's pain because they've already felt their own. It's too much of a risk to have alot of empathy in that it forces you to feel things that are likely unpleasant. Having that said, constructive critism I have found to be a nesessary teacher in my life in pointing out areas that I may be able to improve in some way. People who can accept a little critism, are perhaps just able to acknowlage their faults, and better themselves thanks to it. This critism rarely comes from people who know me well enough to say they understand my life, but there are cases where you need to take critism with a grain of salt. Critism is a useful, sometimes helpful part of life, I feel it's a matter of knowing how to take it well. There are times to disregard it all together and times to ponder the advice offered to you.
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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:46 am
I think criticism is more a cultural thing.
In the old days people weren't so set on complaining about things. There was a set order - if you're poor, you're poor, if you're rich, you're rich. Nobody was questioning it.
I think that fad on criticising was born in your country. Polish people aren't really used to be judged by somebody, this came to poland after we became allied with America.
People criticise because it makes them feel better and is a good way of wasting time.
If a person has to much time, and no other ability it will judge and laugh at people. Why? Because that's the only fun he has.
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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:20 am
p2prince I think criticism is more a cultural thing. In the old days people weren't so set on complaining about things. There was a set order - if you're poor, you're poor, if you're rich, you're rich. Nobody was questioning it. Now this I'm going to ask for documentation. I think this is way to broad of an assumption to be making without some sort of evidence. And the answer, if one can even be garnered, probably depends on how far back you're talking. Go far enough back and there's no evidence for this whatsoever. No records. p2prince People criticise because it makes them feel better and is a good way of wasting time. True, but it is an overgeneralization to say this is the only reason why people criticize. Some people do criticize simply ot criticize. Some people do it to make up for their own inadequacies. However, the mentally healthy person is probably not doing it for these reasons. They might be criticizing to open up new dimensions within themselves and other people. They seek to better the world, and are always asking questions with the hope such ends will be attained.
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:55 pm
1. Some people are able to handle any criticism (even "You suck!") as constructive criticism and I think that is awesome for them!
2. There is a lot of complaining (criticism). There is so much that I will assume whenever someone complains to you, ultimately you will only remember that they were whining (instead of the subject they were speaking of). If you are able to handle criticism well, then good for you, but what about the people who willingly ignore even good advice and warnings? You can criticise them as a method of a threat (that you intend to carry out if they do not listen). When they find you are serious they will sometimes listen because of fear but will otherwise work against you behind your back.
3. So what if the complaining isn't useful? I mean to ask: Why do people complain when they know the person is not going to use it constructively? For now I am assuming it is a power thing and the criticizer complains simply because they know they can get away with it and wants to flaunt the situation to build their own ego.
To reply on-topic I will say I believe timing is extremely important when using criticism. If you poorly choose your "battles" then the meaning behind your criticism will be completely lost.
And I also disagree about it being difficult to walk in the shoes of another. People usually do things for a reason so if you ask "why?" you will usually find the answer, and with experience this process becomes even easier.
edit: oops I ranted. Oh well. And to be lazy assume stuff I overlooked such as gossip ties in with part 3.
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:24 pm
I didn't read the entire topic, but I thought that this quote might be relevant to the discussion. 3nodding
"To avoid criticism: say nothing, do nothing, be nothing."
-Alezunde
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:46 am
But if you avoid criticism by not doing anything, not talking and not being anything, SOMEONE could criticizse about you avoiding criticism.
I think we all need to criticise, even if we say we won't, we will criticise in our minds. I think it's unavoidable
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:15 am
I think the "be nothing" was his point, using sarcasm to suggest that if you are afraid of criticism then you will never accomplish anything.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:04 am
You Rule Supreme I think the " be nothing" was his point, using sarcasm to suggest that if you are afraid of criticism then you will never accomplish anything. Heh. Still, there's different kinds of criticism and some kinds, I think, are more safely ignored than others. FOr instance, we take criticism from someone we know much more personally than from a stranger.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:59 am
Well when someone you know personally criticises you, it causes you to wonder if they doubt you. The surprise of the criticism coming from someone you know can make you think it's because they hate you when it's not even close to that.
If you remove that wonder and self-doubt and realise that the criticism isn't personally biased or of ill intent, then it is easy to handle criticism from friends as not personal, and even thank them for it.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:05 pm
You Rule Supreme Well when someone you know personally criticises you, it causes you to wonder if they doubt you. The surprise of the criticism coming from someone you know can make you think it's because they hate you when it's not even close to that. I think part of the reason for this is also because people tend to not be entirely honest with their friends. Sad, in some ways, for being a friend is supposed to mean truer honesty, and yet we're reluctant to bring to the attention of a friend something we disagree with simply for the sake of avoiding conflict or preserving the friendship. Maybe if people were more honest in the first place, such criticism would be easier to take?
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:59 pm
Criticism in my opinion is just a product of humans unablility to understand other peoples thoughts and feelings. If you think about it when some one makes a decision it would make perfect sense in their state of mind at the moment. When you criticising them, your just saying " why were you making decisions based on what you belive and not what I or otheres belive?". But I guess it can help to make people understand your views or the views of others which might be good since they have more thought put into them. Some people don't like it since they feel that when you criticise them, you are just saying " I think what you were doing and thinking is wrong and my actions and thoughts are right and better, thus I am better than you. One could see how that could hurt.
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:42 am
In my personal experience, criticism is usually the result of one person trying to draw attention to the faults of another, so that their own faults won't be as noticable.
I agree with Alezunde. If you wish to live your life, you're going to be a target of critics. It's simply unavoidable.
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:52 am
Don't froget to make a witty comment like " Thanks for diverting attention from you own assnine mistakes so you can insult me". Since the way to deal with criticism is fight back using their own methods which in the end makes you a hypocrite.
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:25 pm
Phaedrus17 I agree with Alezunde. If you wish to live your life, you're going to be a target of critics. It's simply unavoidable. The man has it figured out. wink
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