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 Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:09 am
Here's a thought i've been entertaining for a little while. There is only one spiritual being in the entire universe. now before you all point out that monotheism is not a new idea allow me to explain. I mean to say not that my God is the only one but that there is only one. So all forms of religion actualy cater to the same being. polytheisitic religions have broken up this being to worship diferent aspects of it individualy. other monotheistic religions simply call it by different names. in the end it's still the same entity. thus there is no need for fighting over religion.
Personaly i still choose to worship in a christian manner but this has been nagging at me of late, i thought i'd ask for your views on it.
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:57 am
Sounds like a Universalist idea. The way I see it is either the bible is completely true or completely false. If God says He is the only one, than that is the only truth. My personal theory about polytheistic religions, is that their Gods are actually the watchers/angels from the book of Enoch. Enoch is one of the books excluded from the modern bible, but I've read some of it and from what I've read so far, I think it may have been inspired by God, and may explain a little bit about the past. I can put up a link to a site where you can read the book if you would like.
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:52 pm
Lithanus Sounds like a Universalist idea. The way I see it is either the bible is completely true or completely false. If God says He is the only one, than that is the only truth. My personal theory about polytheistic religions, is that their Gods are actually the watchers/angels from the book of Enoch. Enoch is one of the books excluded from the modern bible, but I've read some of it and from what I've read so far, I think it may have been inspired by God, and may explain a little bit about the past. I can put up a link to a site where you can read the book if you would like. If you would, could you explain yourself concerning the italicized part?
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:03 am
Here is the introduction page to read the book. The link to the book is at the bottom of the page. http://www.heaven.net.nz/writings/enoch.htmAs for my theory. According to Enoch, God sent watchers(pre-flood) to the earth with specific tasks to watch over different regions of the earth. They basically taught them magic, herbology, technology, and the like. They fornicated with the women of the earth, and birthed monstrosities. It would make sense that the stories of these angels(who could easily pretend to be gods) made it on to the ark, and over time the stories changed until they were gods and many people worshiped them over time.
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:37 am
Why was Enoch excluded? Was it God's doing or man's? Honestly the introduction of a book that was taken out seems pretty farfetch'd. No offense..... Can't say your real name because the goverment will track you down and through this site and it'll be all my fault.
On Topic, what your saying is that the religion is diffrent but it's all the same god? So Allah, Buddah, Shiva, and Jehova are all the same, but with diffrent teachings?
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 9:43 am
Enoch was probably excluded because it doesn't serve a major purpose towards leading you towards salvation. I would assume God didn't think it important if was left out of the bible. Then again, we don't know anything for sure.
The reason why I mentioned was just to provide a theory on the possible existents of multiple "gods" in the past. But, on topic, I doubt all religions could be connected that closely. They are too different.
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:17 pm
I agree with the L man, going from one religion that says bomb the heathens to one that says convert. burning_eyes
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:17 pm
CW Hart Why was Enoch excluded? Was it God's doing or man's? Honestly the introduction of a book that was taken out seems pretty farfetch'd. No offense..... Can't say your real name because the goverment will track you down and through this site and it'll be all my fault. On Topic, what your saying is that the religion is diffrent but it's all the same god? So Allah, Buddah, Shiva, and Jehova are all the same, but with diffrent teachings? The basic teaching of all religions are: Love others, love thyself, love thy god (not nessicarily in that order) . it's all the other things around them that are the issues we fight over.l and Yes Alla and Jehova and Yaweh are the same guy. i mean that litteraly, if you look into it historicaly Yaweh (or Ywh) was what the Hebrews called thier god. (that is to say the god that eventualy sent Christ to die for us) then Christ came and we started calling him a bunch of different names even amongst ourselves. Jehova was one of these names. Allah is what the muslims (who are another religion that came out of Judeism) called the same God that we know by a different name, they don't consider christ the messiah. but do count him amongst the profits the same posistion they gave to mohamed. (well maybe a little less that that as they study mohamed's teachings) Don't know about Shiva at all. Buddah if you look for comonality between his teachings and christ's you find at least the comonality of the idea that one must give away one's worldly posessions in order to achieve eternal happiness. (i didn't say it was perfectly related bu tthey do share comonalities).
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:21 pm
CW Hart I agree with the L man, going from one religion that says bomb the heathens to one that says convert. burning_eyes *points and laughs* ignorance is bliss huh? it actualy teaches that to die for ones convictions is a highly rewarded sacrifice (martyrdom ring any bells?) the religion was sqewed to the point of all hell by fanatics. kinda like the missionaries who tortured american natives into our religions.
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:14 am
Lazarus The Resurected CW Hart Why was Enoch excluded? Was it God's doing or man's? Honestly the introduction of a book that was taken out seems pretty farfetch'd. No offense..... Can't say your real name because the goverment will track you down and through this site and it'll be all my fault. On Topic, what your saying is that the religion is diffrent but it's all the same god? So Allah, Buddah, Shiva, and Jehova are all the same, but with diffrent teachings? The basic teaching of all religions are: Love others, love thyself, love thy god (not nessicarily in that order) . it's all the other things around them that are the issues we fight over.l and Yes Alla and Jehova and Yaweh are the same guy. i mean that litteraly, if you look into it historicaly Yaweh (or Ywh) was what the Hebrews called thier god. (that is to say the god that eventualy sent Christ to die for us) then Christ came and we started calling him a bunch of different names even amongst ourselves. Jehova was one of these names. Allah is what the muslims (who are another religion that came out of Judeism) called the same God that we know by a different name, they don't consider christ the messiah. but do count him amongst the profits the same posistion they gave to mohamed. (well maybe a little less that that as they study mohamed's teachings) Don't know about Shiva at all. Buddah if you look for comonality between his teachings and christ's you find at least the comonality of the idea that one must give away one's worldly posessions in order to achieve eternal happiness. (i didn't say it was perfectly related bu tthey do share comonalities). The thing you have to look for when comparing religions is the core values/nature of God. When you compare Christianity to other religions (excluding Judaism since they are one and the same) its clear that God is different in each religion. Even if it is just a slight difference. Now I can't claim that I know about every religion, but from what I've learned from people that have studied other religions is that God is the same from Old testament to New, but other religion's gods do not match the the exact nature of God as depicted by the bible. It is for this reason that I can't believe that all religions are intertwined, Christianity just sticks out too much. Another thing to keep in mind is that it is very easy for the devil to start a copy religion that has the same morals, but cuts out God. That is why we have to stay sharp and try to know everything we can about what we believe, so that when presented with another set of beliefs we can discern what is truth. With all evidence before you can make a logical decision to back up your experiences, but when evidence is not enough, that is what we have faith for.
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 10:14 pm
Lazarus The Resurected CW Hart I agree with the L man, going from one religion that says bomb the heathens to one that says convert. burning_eyes *points and laughs* ignorance is bliss huh? it actualy teaches that to die for ones convictions is a highly rewarded sacrifice (martyrdom ring any bells?) the religion was sqewed to the point of all hell by fanatics. kinda like the missionaries who tortured american natives into our religions. Yet The bible does not teach us to convert people through torturing. Please go into detail alittle why I'm being ignorant? It's one thing dieing for your beliefs while being prosecuted, a martyr as you did point out, and completly another dieing for your beliefs while in the process of killing others with you. If I am wrong and the muslim religion does not teach to kill others in the name of Allah, then why is their a vast majority of then doing this? I know why all don't, it's the same reason why all Christians won't annonce their faith in a Christian hating society. Oh and Shiva is the Hindu (If I spelt that right) god of destruction, I forget the god of creation and the god of today are called, but it's sort of a Past God, Present God, and Future (Shiva being the future and the end) I'm just saying that it's way to hard to see how these all could be the same God in a literal, or even metaphorical sense. The teaching do seem to similar in some but alot of the key points in each religion differ to much.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:32 pm
CW Hart Lazarus The Resurected CW Hart I agree with the L man, going from one religion that says bomb the heathens to one that says convert. burning_eyes *points and laughs* ignorance is bliss huh? it actualy teaches that to die for ones convictions is a highly rewarded sacrifice (martyrdom ring any bells?) the religion was sqewed to the point of all hell by fanatics. kinda like the missionaries who tortured american natives into our religions. Yet The bible does not teach us to convert people through torturing. Please go into detail alittle why I'm being ignorant? It's one thing dieing for your beliefs while being prosecuted, a martyr as you did point out, and completly another dieing for your beliefs while in the process of killing others with you. If I am wrong and the muslim religion does not teach to kill others in the name of Allah, then why is their a vast majority of then doing this? I know why all don't, it's the same reason why all Christians won't annonce their faith in a Christian hating society. Oh and Shiva is the Hindu (If I spelt that right) god of destruction, I forget the god of creation and the god of today are called, but it's sort of a Past God, Present God, and Future (Shiva being the future and the end) I'm just saying that it's way to hard to see how these all could be the same God in a literal, or even metaphorical sense. The teaching do seem to similar in some but alot of the key points in each religion differ to much. ok simply put the bible does not teach to convert through torture. the koran does not teach to kill the infidels extremists do that. umm for the record (and this is not theory it's religious historical) fact. Allah, Yaweh, Jehova and God are the same guy just under different names. the muslims were also once a jewish sect they just started following the teachings of a man that the jews didn't (sounds kind of like christians from the right perspective) and the high leaders of the Muslim faith all condemned this jihad against the west when it first started. Islam teaches peace just like we do. Well they(the Hindus) have a God for a past present and future and the future is destruction? let me just look into that real quick. umm yeah the bible. beginging- still applicable in the present-the book of revelation(destruction at the end) they key points in the religion are love they neighbour and love they God. the worship styles are differant is all.
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:27 am
Lithanus Lazarus The Resurected CW Hart Why was Enoch excluded? Was it God's doing or man's? Honestly the introduction of a book that was taken out seems pretty farfetch'd. No offense..... Can't say your real name because the goverment will track you down and through this site and it'll be all my fault. On Topic, what your saying is that the religion is diffrent but it's all the same god? So Allah, Buddah, Shiva, and Jehova are all the same, but with diffrent teachings? The basic teaching of all religions are: Love others, love thyself, love thy god (not nessicarily in that order) . it's all the other things around them that are the issues we fight over.l and Yes Alla and Jehova and Yaweh are the same guy. i mean that litteraly, if you look into it historicaly Yaweh (or Ywh) was what the Hebrews called thier god. (that is to say the god that eventualy sent Christ to die for us) then Christ came and we started calling him a bunch of different names even amongst ourselves. Jehova was one of these names. Allah is what the muslims (who are another religion that came out of Judeism) called the same God that we know by a different name, they don't consider christ the messiah. but do count him amongst the profits the same posistion they gave to mohamed. (well maybe a little less that that as they study mohamed's teachings) Don't know about Shiva at all. Buddah if you look for comonality between his teachings and christ's you find at least the comonality of the idea that one must give away one's worldly posessions in order to achieve eternal happiness. (i didn't say it was perfectly related bu tthey do share comonalities). The thing you have to look for when comparing religions is the core values/nature of God. When you compare Christianity to other religions (excluding Judaism since they are one and the same) its clear that God is different in each religion. Even if it is just a slight difference. Now I can't claim that I know about every religion, but from what I've learned from people that have studied other religions is that God is the same from Old testament to New, but other religion's gods do not match the the exact nature of God as depicted by the bible. It is for this reason that I can't believe that all religions are intertwined, Christianity just sticks out too much. Another thing to keep in mind is that it is very easy for the devil to start a copy religion that has the same morals, but cuts out God. That is why we have to stay sharp and try to know everything we can about what we believe, so that when presented with another set of beliefs we can discern what is truth. With all evidence before you can make a logical decision to back up your experiences, but when evidence is not enough, that is what we have faith for. Copy religion? Lith man that sounds a little out on a limb to me. mostly because the devil cannot create anything. he's no good at that, his thing is more in the deciet part of it. or the idea stages of said religion maybe. oh and just to point out our god seems to change from denomination to denomination.
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:02 pm
Here is a simple way of looking at the religions of the world:
God is a mountain. Heaven is the top of the mountain, as is God. All the religions are pathways up to the top of the mountain. Some will tell you that their path is the only path up to heaven, aka the only true God. So in a sense all religions are the correct way up to God. You have to decide for yourself the pathway you choose. The only people who don't go up the mountain are atheists. It's that simple.
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:14 pm
Okay... I'll put this pretty bluntly, but I'll try to restrain any unmerited insults...
Jesus came and preached about hell and salvation. He said that HE is the way, the truth and the life. Christ alone has salvation for us. I don't exclude the possibility that someone could be guided by the Holy Spirit without ever having heard the name of Christ and still be saved, but I think such is a truly rare exception, and Christ's message of salvation was centered on the fact that it is VERY easy to get to Hell, even moreso without HIS help, and there is a tone of urgency, yet hope in His message. SO no, I totally exclude the possibility that all religions tend towards the same God but called by a different name. And no, They're NOT all the same entity... Just look at the pagan gods... the greek gods, which I'm sure you'd be somewhat familiar with, act like humans with divine power... corrupt, lustful, self-seeking beings that act on every impulse they have. I mean this as a whole, so don't come to me trying to give me a (false) counter-example. And no, the Christian God can NOT be in any way, shape or form be associated with any pagan God that requires human sacrifice, ritualistic orgies or any other kind of disordered type of behaviors. There IS a real difference between religions... and by a universalitic mentality you'd have to include satanism as a valid religion, which it is anything but. Either Christ was truthful, lying, or crazy, but there is no middle ground between whether He was truthful or not. Don't mean to come off TOO harsh, but you get the point...
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