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 Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:51 pm
Today I was reading the paper, surprising, I know, and I came across this article about a man that lives near me proposing this areas school districts to have a course that teaches the bible.
Right now I'm think,"How ridiculous.", because we all know that if you teach the bible, you must also teach everything else. But then it's also like, Hello, the bible, nor any religious book, need be taught in a public, non-secular, school.
Now, I'm all for educating kids on religions so that stereotypes don't rear their ugly heads in everyday life, but teaching one religion over another simply because it is more "right" than others is unreal.
There is an argument that it is part of our history, which I can agree with, but we, as spiritual people, have a bias over that because we believe it. Not all people believe the things written in the bible, and I respect their beliefs as such, but the question still remains:
Is the seperation of Church and State being violated here even more so than,"One nation under God." or having bibles in school libraries by this?
I want to know peoples opinions on this.
If it was another "Good" book would you respond differently?
What if there were classes about all kinds of different religions?
Can these 2 things co-exist?
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:56 pm
You don't happen to live in Tennessee, do you?
There's a county here that wants to have a class on the Bible with the Bible being its only textbook. Also, the curriculum they want to use is faith-based. It's an elective course, but I think that a course in the Bible should only be offered if it's going to be presented in a literary or historical context, at least in a public school. Otherwise, that's a clear violation of the seperation of church and state.
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:03 pm
roothands You don't happen to live in Tennessee, do you?
There's a county here that wants to have a class on the Bible with the Bible being its only textbook. Also, the curriculum they want to use is faith-based. It's an elective course, but I think that a course in the Bible should only be offered if it's going to be presented in a literary or historical context, at least in a public school. Otherwise, that's a clear violation of the seperation of church and state. Totally agree.
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:27 pm
roothands You don't happen to live in Tennessee, do you?
There's a county here that wants to have a class on the Bible with the Bible being its only textbook. Also, the curriculum they want to use is faith-based. It's an elective course, but I think that a course in the Bible should only be offered if it's going to be presented in a literary or historical context, at least in a public school. Otherwise, that's a clear violation of the seperation of church and state. I live in Arkansas, and a couple of the districts are already doing it. And I guess I can agree, that if you have a choice and they are teaching it as history, it's fine. However, that's not how they're teaching it. It's like Sunday 3 days during the week...Apparently.
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:33 am
If you want your kid to know the bible, torah, qu'ran, vedas, book of mormon, or any religious text take them to a privite school. I mean that's what my family did, wanted me to be cathlic so sent me to a cathlic school. If you don't want to pay for school, don't expect them to bow at your religious feet. gah, I had this stupid christian a** hole tell me I was wrong cause I didn't believe in jesus christ, and how even if I was jewish I still benefited from the blood of christ. Yea a** hole let me tell you want I think of your blood of christ ::insert naughty hand gesture.:: OH and he thought just cause I disagreed with him I was wrong, and that deep down inside me my soul wanted to do it but my decaded mind or some s**t like that wouldn't let my soul be free. And to that I tell him he can take his "truth" and stick up his yoowhoo where the sun won't ever shine, cause I don't give a yoowhoo about it!! ninja okay I feel better. 3nodding ::gives everyone cookies:: ::huggles torah cause it's awsome and you're all jealous!!::Donovinhs Knight roothands You don't happen to live in Tennessee, do you?
There's a county here that wants to have a class on the Bible with the Bible being its only textbook. Also, the curriculum they want to use is faith-based. It's an elective course, but I think that a course in the Bible should only be offered if it's going to be presented in a literary or historical context, at least in a public school. Otherwise, that's a clear violation of the seperation of church and state. Totally agree. >.> I sooo wouldn't take that class and if I was forced I'd revolt.. totally.
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:58 am
Oh, if I was forced to take it, I'd be kicking some major a**.
However, my mom told me about a course she took in college called History of the Old Testament because she thought it would be easy, she was raised Southern Baptist I believe. She said it was the hardest elective to take, because they taught things from a none biased stand point. That class, I would take.
But this makes me realize something...by having a class like the one I described, it would increase the rate of religious intolerance thrice fold more likely than not. I may feel like the only Jew at my school, but the truth is, I'm not...and anti-semitism is already bad enough towards people like me who are proud of the fact they are converts. How about the kids that were born Jewish, and have had to put up with it 14 more years than I have?
Pentecostals have caused me enough trouble, they need to nose out of school systems to teach that Jesus Christ is the only answer. Teach that in your crazy a** churchese you tyrants. (This is a blanket statement, I know not all Pentecostals, or christians for that matter, are bad. Sometimes though...*Makes strangling gesture*)
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:02 am
kingpinsqeezels anti-semitism is already bad enough towards people like me who are proud of the fact they are converts. How about the kids that were born Jewish, and have had to put up with it 14 more years than I have? yea i completely agree with you and feel the same way, that I can't complain of being teased because I've only been going through this for a few years. >.> yea.. i'm not helpful. You're 14.. wow.. >.> I swear somethign with girls and converting and deciding around that age.. you and me need to el talko. >.> lol i went on about my feelings about christianity and dead people but i deleted it lol. oh kingspin isn't your favorite activity making people tell you you're damned to hell, and that you need to be saved? Oh soo amusing rofl
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:28 pm
YvetteEmilieDupont kingpinsqeezels anti-semitism is already bad enough towards people like me who are proud of the fact they are converts. How about the kids that were born Jewish, and have had to put up with it 14 more years than I have? oh kingspin isn't your favorite activity making people tell you you're damned to hell, and that you need to be saved? Oh soo amusing rofl I was 14 when I decided, but I'm almost 16 now. Anyway, I love it personally. It makes me feel superior, because I'm not the one dissing out judgements and being un-nice or whatever. I don't like being called "The Jew", but I certainly feel like more of a person than any of those douche bags will ever feel.
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:59 pm
kingpinsqeezels YvetteEmilieDupont kingpinsqeezels anti-semitism is already bad enough towards people like me who are proud of the fact they are converts. How about the kids that were born Jewish, and have had to put up with it 14 more years than I have? oh kingspin isn't your favorite activity making people tell you you're damned to hell, and that you need to be saved? Oh soo amusing rofl I was 14 when I decided, but I'm almost 16 now. Anyway, I love it personally. It makes me feel superior, because I'm not the one dissing out judgements and being un-nice or whatever. I don't like being called "The Jew", but I certainly feel like more of a person than any of those douche bags will ever feel. You are the most wicked awsome person i've ever met burning_eyes <-- good burning face ^.^ hee hee my mom always calls me the jew >.> i don't know how i feel about it lol. She calls shul jew school. lol. It's kind of funny cause she's just being sarcastic, lol it's how we do stuff. She'd never do infront of you guys anyways. Like it's a mother daughter joke lol.
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:30 pm
YvetteEmilieDupont my mom always calls me the jew >.> i don't know how i feel about it lol. She calls shul jew school. lol. It's kind of funny cause she's just being sarcastic, lol it's how we do stuff. She'd never do infront of you guys anyways. Like it's a mother daughter joke lol. My friends are the same way. They'd never talk like they do to me around any of you. They like being stupid, but they respect Jewish people and me, so I never take offense. My best friend once referred to you guys as my "Jew Friends" in the car and my mother said,"JAKKOB! THAT WAS NOT A NICE THING TO SAY!" It was funny, because I knew he wasn't insulting you guys, but she's still kinda weird about me wanting to be Jewish, to her and the rest of her family it's blasphemy, and to my dads family, they don't give a crap about me. She wants to create the illusion that she's find with it by taking everything offensive for me. It's silly. It's not like she hates it, but she certainly wouldn't tell my aunts or my grandmother. I think she's waiting until I bring a Jew home to explain it to them. xp
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:42 pm
in my school(which is a secular community college) most teacher compare things to Jesus. and the other day, my teacher compared jesus to socrates. no biggie...until he said, socrates was put on trial because he pissed the athenians off. and then he said. the jews killed jesus because he pissed them off.
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:15 am
HIMLuVa in my school(which is a secular community college) most teacher compare things to Jesus. and the other day, my teacher compared jesus to socrates. no biggie...until he said, socrates was put on trial because he pissed the athenians off. and then he said. the jews killed jesus because he pissed them off. Did you kick him in the face/throw tomatoes at him?
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:17 pm
If they wanted to teach the Bible in school, they would be arrested or sued or something (as they should be; why don't they go to the equivalent of Hebrew school, or maybe a church). However, I've always wanted to take a Religions class, where students would spend some amount of time studying the basic tenants or histories of many different religions. (Naturally, they can't learn all of them in one semester, but they could at least do most of the major world religions.)
What's wrong with the Bible in the school library, so long as they keep the Qu'ran, Tanakh, Baha'i, and others? It is a book, after all.
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:08 pm
Bored Summer Girl If they wanted to teach the Bible in school, they would be arrested or sued or something (as they should be; why don't they go to the equivalent of Hebrew school, or maybe a church). However, I've always wanted to take a Religions class, where students would spend some amount of time studying the basic tenants or histories of many different religions. (Naturally, they can't learn all of them in one semester, but they could at least do most of the major world religions.) What's wrong with the Bible in the school library, so long as they keep the Qu'ran, Tanakh, Baha'i, and others? It is a book, after all. I'm okay with History of Religion, which I believe is a college class, but only because it's taught from a historical stand point and not a,"This is right, the rest are wrong" kind of way. I just think that if Christians weasled their way into public schools, that's what would happen.
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:30 pm
I'm not really sure if this has been discussed in the guild, but I figured I'd talk about it here.
I heard from someone in the UK that the Holocaust is actually being taken out of history lessons in order to keep Muslim children, who are raised and taught to openly hate Jews, from causing conflict, along with their parents.
Can you tell me why exactly this is being allowed to happen? They say it's only a matter of time until they starting teaching the Holocaust as a theory instead of actual fact. This is ridiculous. Why should a bunch of bigots keep their children, and anyone else, from learning about one of the most horrendous happenings in history. Somebody tell me this isn't true.
On a much lighter note, there is talk of abolishing faith based schools because it gives children the impression that they are superior or above public school children of different religions. What do you think?
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