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| Is the Death Penalty justified? |
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| no, save the poor unloved murderers |
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| whatever |
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 Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:45 pm
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:34 am
In my oppinion it's wrong, I mean the person may have taken away someones life and made their live in sorrow, but does that give someone the right to make their familly live in sorrow and take their life? No, thats just cruel.
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 12:55 pm
Sometimes they jump too quickly to give the death penalty, or they give for a lesser crime. There needs to be a little more thought stuffed into those decisions.
Or, we could just send them to Antarctica and let them freeze . . .
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:52 pm
"Many who live, deserve death, and many who die deserve life, can you give it to them?"
Gandalf.
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:27 pm
if they were justified in the killing that gets them the death penalty, no, they just might deserve praise. if they went and killed someone out of spite, or for no reason good enough to warrant the other's death, kill them. they did it once, they'd do it again.
and how you execute them should vary as well. in my opinion, McVeigh(oklahoma city bomber) seriously deserved a slow painful death, not a lethal injection, while others dont deserve a cruel death.
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:30 pm
i don't think that a jury of peers is wise enough to decide who should live or die. thus i'm against it. i think there are people the deserve to die for crimes, but unless they ask for it, not coerced to it, we can never know if we are killing someone that might be able to be redeemed.
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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:37 pm
If someone kills without good reason they deserve death. However, that doesn't mean that they should be executed. I think we should show them the honor of a legal system that doesn't stoop to the level of revenge.
Also, they're going to die anyway, wouldn't it be worse to be stuck in prison for life?
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:21 pm
The main reason these people are sentenced to death is because they pose a threat to society. They could still potentially break out of prison and kill again. As cruel as it may seem death is the only sure way to stop the threat they pose. Therefor, I am for the death penalty.
Also, it costs less to kill these people than to keep them alive where they'll be getting better living standards than homeless people who are innocent.
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:26 pm
Tigress Dawn Also, it costs less to kill these people than to keep them alive where they'll be getting better living standards than homeless people who are innocent. Mind if I ask for evidence?
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:28 pm
Well, I had a site a little while back that said that explained how life in prison costs more than the death penalty, but recently in a google search 9/10 sites show its the other way around. redface
You know what though? We pay far too much for executions and prisons. We should institute public floggings and beatings. Forget this spend a night in prison crap or get out on bail. Just beat them. Everytime a person steals or something besides murder, flog them till their back is sore. Rapists can be castrated, murderers can get prisons with conditions worse than what was instituted back in the medieval times. Then when we're done torturing confessions out of them we should give them painful public executions to make an example of them.
Kids in school should be flogged for disobediance. Teach them early I say. Whiney people that sue because gods forbid they can't hold a coffee cup should be flogged. That guy that sued over McDonalds should be starved until he loses the weight (hey we're doing him the favor) THEN flogged. Everytime some one is "offended" and sues, they should be flogged and placed in a room full of the supposedly offensive items or phrases written all over the walls... It'll save money.
But seriously...why are we paying so much money to house a man in jail? We don't even pay that much to help get people on the streets back on their feet. Kids are starving to death we're putting all our money into giving prisoners good living condition.... pathetic.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:05 am
Tigress Dawn Well, I had a site a little while back that said that explained how life in prison costs more than the death penalty, but recently in a google search 9/10 sites show its the other way around. redface
You know what though? We pay far too much for executions and prisons. We should institute public floggings and beatings. Forget this spend a night in prison crap or get out on bail. Just beat them. Everytime a person steals or something besides murder, flog them till their back is sore. Rapists can be castrated, murderers can get prisons with conditions worse than what was instituted back in the medieval times. Then when we're done torturing confessions out of them we should give them painful public executions to make an example of them.
Kids in school should be flogged for disobediance. Teach them early I say. Whiney people that sue because gods forbid they can't hold a coffee cup should be flogged. That guy that sued over McDonalds should be starved until he loses the weight (hey we're doing him the favor) THEN flogged. Everytime some one is "offended" and sues, they should be flogged and placed in a room full of the supposedly offensive items or phrases written all over the walls... It'll save money.
But seriously...why are we paying so much money to house a man in jail? We don't even pay that much to help get people on the streets back on their feet. Kids are starving to death we're putting all our money into giving prisoners good living condition.... pathetic. i know a lot of this was in jest, so please let me know what is in jest if you wish for me to take your points seriously. as for the "But seriously..." part. if social services KNOW a child is starving, then they do step in and take action. the will take the children away from the parents. any children that strave in this country is because it went unreported until it's too late.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:01 am
Tigress Dawn But seriously...why are we paying so much money to house a man in jail? We don't even pay that much to help get people on the streets back on their feet. Kids are starving to death we're putting all our money into giving prisoners good living condition.... pathetic. I totally agree, and this is one of the things that pisses me off about our prison systems here in the US. Prison is supposed to be a PUNISHMENT. So why are we giving them televisions, radios, etc? What I'd love to see is taking all that money and sticking it somewhere where it is of more use. I understand that prisons need to at least be safe and sanitary, but beyond that, is anything further really neccesary? (sometimes I wonder if prisons would be better off with unsafe and unsanitary conditions like they used to be, but that sounds terribly amoral of me, doesn't it?) I used to be for the death penalty, but now it's more of a neutral issue for me. On the one hand, as every human has every right to kill another living thing (regardless of whether or not it's legal, we're all capable), the justice system is simply excercising that right. On the flipside, though, is death punishment in the first place? Frankly, I think living with yourself afterwards is far worse. Death would be a release. Plus, instead of killing them, put them to work. Use them to advance medical technology. Stick them in dangerous jobs. Something with more utilitarian value than just killing them off.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:00 pm
Starlock I totally agree, and this is one of the things that pisses me off about our prison systems here in the US. Prison is supposed to be a PUNISHMENT. So why are we giving them televisions, radios, etc? What I'd love to see is taking all that money and sticking it somewhere where it is of more use. I understand that prisons need to at least be safe and sanitary, but beyond that, is anything further really neccesary? (sometimes I wonder if prisons would be better off with unsafe and unsanitary conditions like they used to be, but that sounds terribly amoral of me, doesn't it?) The actual aim of prison should be getting the inmates out and reintegrated into society, so that they can become useful, functioning members of society. Unfortunately, many people see it now, as you do, for punishment, and that is what is truly sad about our prison system. About the t.v.'s and other s**t. I say bare necessities needed to reintegrate them into society as useful, functioning members. About unsafe/unsanitary: Amendments/Constitution will quite clearly disagree with you. Quote: I used to be for the death penalty, but now it's more of a neutral issue for me. On the one hand, as every human has every right to kill another living thing (regardless of whether or not it's legal, we're all capable), the justice system is simply excercising that right. On the flipside, though, is death punishment in the first place? Frankly, I think living with yourself afterwards is far worse. Death would be a release. I quite agree with the is death a punishment question. Quote: Plus, instead of killing them, put them to work. Use them to advance medical technology. Stick them in dangerous jobs. Something with more utilitarian value than just killing them off. Once again, the "Cruel and unusual punishment" will come to their rescue, so too may the emancipation laws.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:33 pm
chaoticpuppet Starlock I totally agree, and this is one of the things that pisses me off about our prison systems here in the US. Prison is supposed to be a PUNISHMENT. So why are we giving them televisions, radios, etc? What I'd love to see is taking all that money and sticking it somewhere where it is of more use. I understand that prisons need to at least be safe and sanitary, but beyond that, is anything further really neccesary? (sometimes I wonder if prisons would be better off with unsafe and unsanitary conditions like they used to be, but that sounds terribly amoral of me, doesn't it?) The actual aim of prison should be getting the inmates out and reintegrated into society, so that they can become useful, functioning members of society. Unfortunately, many people see it now, as you do, for punishment, and that is what is truly sad about our prison system. About the t.v.'s and other s**t. I say bare necessities needed to reintegrate them into society as useful, functioning members. About unsafe/unsanitary: Amendments/Constitution will quite clearly disagree with you.
Well, the most sanitary something needs to be is just enough so there's no mold or cockroaches living in the walls. I mean, as long as they have flushable toilets and decent food, they'd be just fine. You'd be surprised at the standards they set for sanitary dorm rooms...I'm pretty sure prisons are cleaner than that...ick. Though, I think prisoners do all the cleaning anyway. Quote: Quote: Plus, instead of killing them, put them to work. Use them to advance medical technology. Stick them in dangerous jobs. Something with more utilitarian value than just killing them off. Once again, the "Cruel and unusual punishment" will come to their rescue, so too may the emancipation laws.
But you know, instead of just letting Bubba have his way with the other prisoners, they should put the prisoners to better use. They could be the human test subjects after gerbils. It'd be voluntary of course, I'm sure most prisoners would choose being a little test subject than the laundry person or cook. They've already conducted tests on prisoners like the color pink test. Lock a prisoner in a pink room, see if he mellows out.
They do some jobs, like making liscence plates and some other stuff. They get grunt jobs with no pay.
In all honesty I'm not for cruelty to other people. I think if someone really wants a guy to be sentenced to death, they should do it themselves. If they don't have the balls then they should stop bitching about how they want the guy fried. If they want him killed enough that they can do it themselves, then chances are they guy probably deserved it, because most normal people don't have it in them to kill another person unless in self defense.
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:15 pm
Part of the reason that there are repeat offenders is that there are few, if any programs, for prisoners to help reintegrate them into society. Furthermore, even fewer of those few programs are good. It works the same in a lot of situations. Take schools for example, those that are better at educating the young minds of the future, will, for the most part, have more successful students, than those schools that cannot educate well. We could even look at the public school system on the east coast of the U.S. In the North, the public schools are far better than those in the south. As such, the students from the public schools in the north, are more likely to become useful members of society. Quote: Heh..there's already cruel and unusual punishment going on in the prisons. You hear about it all the time from the guards, its just no one cares. The only time there was ever a case brought up is when some guard locked a guy who had forged his taxes in with a big a** raping prisoner. I'm not sure if they got in trouble for that or not. I'm pretty sure they played ignorance and got off. Afterall, how can they tell who a** rapes and who doesn't? Cells are randomly chosen. ninja That is not cruel and unusual punishment. Furthermore, there is one huge difference between the test animals, and the prisoners. The test animals are breed solely for the purpose of being tested on, in other words, had we decided "No testing on animals" those animals wouldn't even exist. Prisoners, are not, in any way, shape, or form, breed for the sole purpose of testing. Quote: They do some jobs, like making liscence plates and some other stuff. They get grunt jobs with no pay. There is a difference between community service and a "slave" job. Are you sure, these "grunt" jobs with no pay, are not jobs protected under the title "community service?" Quote: In all honesty I'm not for cruelty to other people. I think if someone really wants a guy to be sentenced to death, they should do it themselves. If they don't have the balls then they should stop bitching about how they want the guy fried. If they want him killed enough that they can do it themselves, then chances are they guy probably deserved it, because most normal people don't have it in them to kill another person unless in self defense. Honestly, I quite disagree with you. The serial killer has little, if any, good reason to kill the people he wants to kill. Furthermore, you have just justified murder. Your argument will be paradoxical, if you argue for such a thing as justified murder.
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