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Llelwyn

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:40 pm


I find meditation and the philosophy of buddhism to be helpful in dealing with my depression and AD/HD. At this point I am sometimes able to recognize when I am letting my painful emotions take control, when I slip into mindsets that cause me a great deal of suffering.

Is anyone else working through a mental illness? What do you find helpful?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:16 pm


When I'm angry or emotional, I first draw angry pictures then meditate. It's not quite the same but it does the trick. mrgreen

[.Limps McGee.]


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:58 am


Well, I believe that mental illness is caused by strong feelings of aversion and/or attachment mixed with delusion ...

If you were to visit a mental hospital or that of an fanatical cult with an obessive nature ... you can easily spot the symptoms of mental illness there ... domokun

However in daily life, this may occur in individuals like us as well ... outbursts of anger, claims made with illogical reasoning ( I have met people who told me that carbon has magical powers and that rubber bands can suck your blood ... ) and in worse cases ... suicide ... xp

Anyway, the best cure is still the removal of Attachment, Aversion and Delusion in our minds ... mrgreen
PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:42 am


WayfarerStrife
Well, I believe that mental illness is caused by strong feelings of aversion and/or attachment mixed with delusion ...

If you were to visit a mental hospital or that of an fanatical cult with an obessive nature ... you can easily spot the symptoms of mental illness there ... domokun

However in daily life, this may occur in individuals like us as well ... outbursts of anger, claims made with illogical reasoning ( I have met people who told me that carbon has magical powers and that rubber bands can suck your blood ... ) and in worse cases ... suicide ... xp

Anyway, the best cure is still the removal of Attachment, Aversion and Delusion in our minds ... mrgreen
While a lot of the problems associated with mental illness do stem from a harmful worldview and twisted reasoning, please do take a moment to consider the WHY of these things. Some mental illness can be worked through with meditation, with practice, with the support of friends and family... other kinds it is much more helpful to seek the aid of professionals and even (gasp!) MEDICATION. There are times when one can only get so far with the added burden of a chemical imbalance in one's brain.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:39 am


Llelwyn
WayfarerStrife
Well, I believe that mental illness is caused by strong feelings of aversion and/or attachment mixed with delusion ...

If you were to visit a mental hospital or that of an fanatical cult with an obessive nature ... you can easily spot the symptoms of mental illness there ... domokun

However in daily life, this may occur in individuals like us as well ... outbursts of anger, claims made with illogical reasoning ( I have met people who told me that carbon has magical powers and that rubber bands can suck your blood ... ) and in worse cases ... suicide ... xp

Anyway, the best cure is still the removal of Attachment, Aversion and Delusion in our minds ... mrgreen
While a lot of the problems associated with mental illness do stem from a harmful worldview and twisted reasoning, please do take a moment to consider the WHY of these things. Some mental illness can be worked through with meditation, with practice, with the support of friends and family... other kinds it is much more helpful to seek the aid of professionals and even (gasp!) MEDICATION. There are times when one can only get so far with the added burden of a chemical imbalance in one's brain.


Ha ... quite true ... to give chemicals to someone who has problems thinking isn't really a solution ... we should correct the view first ... if the person claims the earth is flat, we have to show that person that the earth is round, instead of forcing medicine into him or her ... sweatdrop


Anyway, although it is incredibly hard to believe, there are actually still people around who really claim that the earth is flat ... just see this links ... sweatdrop

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/fe-scidi.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flatearth.html
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

I think the reason for the flat earth thing could be found here ...

http://www.id.ucsb.edu/fscf/library/RUSSELL/FlatEarth.html

Quote:
But now, why did the false accounts of Letronne and Irving become melded and then, as early as the 1860s, begin to be served up in schools and in schoolbooks as the solemn truth?

The answer is that the falsehood about the spherical earth became a colorful and unforgettable part of a larger falsehood: the falsehood of the eternal war between science (good) and religion (bad) throughout Western history. This vast web of falsehood was invented and propagated by the influential historian John Draper (1811-1882) and many prestigious followers, such as Andrew Dickson White (1832-191 cool , the president of Cornell University, who made sure that the false account was perpetrated in texts, encyclopedias, and even allegedly serious scholarship, down to the present day. A lively current version of the lie can be found in Daniel Boorstin's The Discoverers, found in any bookshop or library.

The reason for promoting both the specific lie about the sphericity of the earth and the general lie that religion and science are in natural and eternal conflict in Western society, is to defend Darwinism. The answer is really only slightly more complicated than that bald statement. The flat-earth lie was ammunition against the creationists. The argument was simple and powerful, if not elegant: "Look how stupid these Christians are. They are always getting in the way of science and progress. These people who deny evolution today are exactly the same sort of people as those idiots who for at least a thousand years denied that the earth was round. How stupid can you get?"

But that is not the truth.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:27 pm


WayfarerStrife
Ha ... quite true ... to give chemicals to someone who has problems thinking isn't really a solution ... we should correct the view first ... if the person claims the earth is flat, we have to show that person that the earth is round, instead of forcing medicine into him or her ... sweatdrop
I think you missed my point.

There are times when medications will help people think more clearly. Forcing anyone to take medication unless they're a serious danger to themselves or others is wrong, but I would encourage people who are having problems dealing with their illnesses on their own to get into some psychotherapy and potentially consider some medication. If you have something that you can take that will make your brain function normally or at least BETTER, that will drastically decrease your suffering, I don't see the point in not taking it.

For a while there was this idea that medication could fix anything like some sort of magic spell... there has been a violent swing away from that idea in recent years to the point of view that medication is a dangerous and almost amoral last resort of the weak of will. People seem to think that taking medication is just putting more money into the pockets of the government, the drug companies, and the doctors (that last is blatantly untrue... the docs don't get a cut of the profits on medications they prescribe).

If you had a serious infection, would you wait until it was close to killing you to get some antibiotics? By then it could be too late.

I'm not saying that meds are a silver bullet and they will instantly "cure" you or fix everything... but they can really help. I don't think that either point of view, the "magic cure" or the "amoral crutch" is correct. I believe that we should seek the middle way in this, and understand that medications can be a tool, a very useful one, but they can also be used to simply mask symptoms. When they're being used in that second way, they will not be effective for long and they won't be nearly as effective as medication taken in combination with therapy, which has been shown by studies to be far FAR more helpful.

...I doubt that anyone is going to read all of this, it's a bit longer than I originally intended to make it, but this is a point that I wish more people would understand.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:43 pm


Ever see those advertisements at doctor's offices for pills? They're everywhere. On the clipboards, on the paper lining for the bed, on the walls. Why would a doctor's office ADVERTISE drugs? Doesn't it sound strange...if the doctor isn't making any money on it? The drug companies give these to the doctors/clinics along with free samples and more, in exchange that the doctors will prescribe THEIR medicine as much as possible.


I get what you are saying about certain mental illnesses. What about schizophrenia? What about catatonia? Extreme cases...can these be dealt with without the use of medication?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:49 pm


WobinA
Ever see those advertisements at doctor's offices for pills? They're everywhere. On the clipboards, on the paper lining for the bed, on the walls. Why would a doctor's office ADVERTISE drugs? Doesn't it sound strange...if the doctor isn't making any money on it? The drug companies give these to the doctors/clinics along with free samples and more, in exchange that the doctors will prescribe THEIR medicine as much as possible.


I get what you are saying about certain mental illnesses. What about schizophrenia? What about catatonia? Extreme cases...can these be dealt with without the use of medication?
They are free things that the drug companies' reps. give doctors when they are talking about their medications, which means that the docs don't have to spend quite as much of their their own money on pens and other office supplies. My mother is a doctor and I've been in that environment long enough to know that a few pens and a coffee mug aren't going to convince people to prescribe a product that they haven't found effective and helpful. Often times when a medication is new on the market, doctors like to have drug representatives come so they can talk to them about it, does this mean that they aren't going to use their own judgement on whether or not a medication is effective? Not in the least.

Regarding the advertisements, you see ads for medications in magazines, on tv, on the radio... does that convince you that you need to go and use them? Why should the fact that a product's name is on a flyer or a pen convince you any more than the multi-million dollar ad campaigns?

Schizophrenia and other major (nonaffective) mental illnesses are best handled with medication, but there are also meditative techniques etc that can be helpful, or so I've learned in talking with people dealing with these illnesses.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:17 pm


Llelwyn
WayfarerStrife
Ha ... quite true ... to give chemicals to someone who has problems thinking isn't really a solution ... we should correct the view first ... if the person claims the earth is flat, we have to show that person that the earth is round, instead of forcing medicine into him or her ... sweatdrop
I think you missed my point.

There are times when medications will help people think more clearly. Forcing anyone to take medication unless they're a serious danger to themselves or others is wrong, but I would encourage people who are having problems dealing with their illnesses on their own to get into some psychotherapy and potentially consider some medication. If you have something that you can take that will make your brain function normally or at least BETTER, that will drastically decrease your suffering, I don't see the point in not taking it.

For a while there was this idea that medication could fix anything like some sort of magic spell... there has been a violent swing away from that idea in recent years to the point of view that medication is a dangerous and almost amoral last resort of the weak of will. People seem to think that taking medication is just putting more money into the pockets of the government, the drug companies, and the doctors (that last is blatantly untrue... the docs don't get a cut of the profits on medications they prescribe).

If you had a serious infection, would you wait until it was close to killing you to get some antibiotics? By then it could be too late.

I'm not saying that meds are a silver bullet and they will instantly "cure" you or fix everything... but they can really help. I don't think that either point of view, the "magic cure" or the "amoral crutch" is correct. I believe that we should seek the middle way in this, and understand that medications can be a tool, a very useful one, but they can also be used to simply mask symptoms. When they're being used in that second way, they will not be effective for long and they won't be nearly as effective as medication taken in combination with therapy, which has been shown by studies to be far FAR more helpful.

...I doubt that anyone is going to read all of this, it's a bit longer than I originally intended to make it, but this is a point that I wish more people would understand.


Ha ... you do have a point there, sorry about not noticing it earlier ... sweatdrop

Drugs such as stimulants and sedatives do work to keep a patient's mind active or calm ... herbs keep the body strong and and antibotics help the body fight any invading virius ...

But what I meant was that at times, people use that method to treat the symptoms instead of the cause, which means that although the patient is given medication and such ... he or she still thinks the earth is flat or that the sky is falling ... sweatdrop But if you use a drug to calm him or her before slowly explaining, maybe it is easier to clear wrong views, many people suffering from psychosis also have to be calm before you can use any form of therapy on them ... mrgreen (unless they are really unable to let go of wrong views ...)
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