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NatureFaerie

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:04 am


Recently, I bought a head scarf- thing that partially covered my hair at my local thrift store and started wearing it, just because. Lately, I've noticed I've been alot more relaxed and calm, now that I'm not going crazy over how my hair looks and such. I remembered reading an article online on hair rules in Judaism, and that it started out as a defiance to the Roman Womens' 'vainess' about their hair.

Today, it seems only the Orthodox women follow these rules, but I was wondering if people had any thoughts on head/hair covering?
Todah/Thank you
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:10 am


I dont really like seeing woman in head scarfs, but if they want to wear 'em, thats ok ninja

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kingpinsqeezels

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:38 pm


I thought you only wore them when you were married. I plan on wearing one when I get married...
PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:50 pm


I do obey the comandment for "kisui rosh." It means head covering, not hair covering, which would be "kisui se'ar," even though in practical terms, it often results in a woman covering all of her hair. I use snoods, scarves, or hats/caps (mostly from http://www.modestworld.com and http://www.tznius.com), and I do cover my hair completely.

I didn't cover immediately when I got married; I only started doing it when I had a really bad haircut and wanted to hide it until it grew out. Now that it's been three years, the bad haircut has grown out, but I have found that I don't want to uncover anymore.

It used to take me an hour to dry my hair, then another hour with the styling wand and a bunch of mousse or gel before I liked the way it looked, and then it would be frizzy again if I went outside into the humidity. Now I can wash, brush, cover, and be out the door with just ten minutes of post-shower grooming.

I used to spend a lot of money on mousse, gel, hair coloring (my hair's been going white since I was about 14), barrettes, clips, combs, ribbons, headbands... Now that I've bought all the snoods I need, I really only have to buy shampoo, conditioner, and the very occasional hot oil treatment.

Before covering, I'd spend a lot of time re-brushing and re-fixing my hair once I got to school, work, or social occasions. Now, I just check whenever I go to the bathroom, make sure the hair's all hidden away, and that's it. No extra trips to the room with the mirrors, just for the sake of vanity.

I used to feel bad about myself all day when my hair didn't look the way I wanted it to look. Now, I'm confident and pleased with my appearance as long as I'm clean and neat.

People used to know me as "the redhead," and call me Red. Their immediate thought was often "I'd like to sleep with her" or "I wouldn't sleep with her." Now they think, "I wonder what she thinks or believes, that makes her wear that." Automatically, I've robbed them of the ability to judge me by my looks, and gently forced them instead to deal with my thoughts and values. It's a subtle but powerful form of feminism.

Just so you know, NatureFaerie, it's only for boys and men to cover their heads by the age of three onward, and some Jews don't do that unless they're at prayer (and of course, some not at all). For women, it's only required after marriage (and again, this is followed to varying degrees at different times), but it is permitted for a woman to cover her hair or her head any time she wants. Before marriage, it's fashion. After marriage, it's required to have some kind of covering, but it can be as small and unobtrusive as a thick headband, a tiny cap, or even just braiding the hair so that the sections of hair take turns covering one another!

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kingpinsqeezels

PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:09 pm


Dude...I'm so wearing one now. SWEET!
PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:32 am


Awesome, kingpinsqeezels! You'll have to post the one you bought (on a styrofoam or plastic head, or photoshop your face out of a photograph so as to protect your privacy).

What was it that convinced you to wear a scarf?

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kingpinsqeezels

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:47 pm


I just always wanted to wear one, even before I decided to convert. They look so neat. I know that there is probably some religious reason, but I'm material so...
(I dye my hair, and I want to grow it out as well.)

Anyway, I can wear an actual scarf right? And if I do, is there a certain way to wear it?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:39 am


You can cover your head/hair with anything you like, though I'd caution against three things.

One, if you're in an Orthodox setting, a kippah is probably something you'll want to avoid in order to blend in better. That is, unless you don't mind sticking out like a sore thumb, and having one or two peoplee assume you're not Jewish or that you don't know any better. Chances are, you do know what you're doing, and you'll want to let people know that by using the non-verbal signal of head/hair coverage that says you do know how to fit in in an Orthodox setting.

Two, I'd avoid tying your scarf in a way that most people associate with Muslimas (female Muslims). It's a really beautiful look, but out of respect for Muslimas and for Islam, you don't want people to think you're just turning their style of coverage into a costume. That means that unless it's cold and you're wearing a wool shawl or pashmina wrap in order to stay warm, you don't want to wear it in such a way as to cover your hair, ears, and neck/throat, like this: http://www.thehijabshop.com/information/how_to_wear.php

Finally, if you're going to wear a scarf to a Shabbat service or any other religious service, wear a nice one. Save the paisley bandana or the tie-dye for school, and go to a fancier occasion with a fancier scarf.

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kingpinsqeezels

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:37 pm


My mother has tons of beautiful scarves...I don't know why, but she does.

I haven't owned a bandana since the 90s though, so no worries.

But in order to wear a scarf, you have to show your ears? Sorry, I don't really understand, because I've never really seen an Orthodox woman before...Actually, I might have, but I probably just assumed she was Muslim.

Anyway, I don't plan on doing this until next year, because if I just covered my head one day my peers and teachers would give me a hard time. I'm not a very strong person in the high school setting, at least the one that involves bullying, and since kids around here always joke about Jews, but have never really met one, they'd have a hay day. I'll have to build up my courage. redface
PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:48 pm


I've posted a picture of myself in a headscarf before, but I can't find it now. ^^; Here's a quick webcam shot so you can get kind of a vague idea:

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Here's the snood I have, which bits of my hair shows around the sides of, because the elastic is very tight and it hurts to put it over the sides of my glasses. whee

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Some of the women here let their scarves cover their ears partially, in order to make sure the hair on the sides of their heads, around the ears, stays covered. In the pre-tied scarves that have elastic in them, that can kind of hurt, though. sweatdrop I don't know, in other communities, leaving your ears uncovered might be the norm.

I'm single, so I don't cover regularly, but I do cover my head for davening, lighting Shabbos candles, taking challah, and other similar things. I picked the practice up from my old roommate, who was Sephardi, and it was a family minhag of hers. I found it very moving, personally.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:19 pm


kingpinsqeezels
My mother has tons of beautiful scarves...I don't know why, but she does.

I haven't owned a bandana since the 90s though, so no worries.

But in order to wear a scarf, you have to show your ears? Sorry, I don't really understand, because I've never really seen an Orthodox woman before...Actually, I might have, but I probably just assumed she was Muslim.

Anyway, I don't plan on doing this until next year, because if I just covered my head one day my peers and teachers would give me a hard time. I'm not a very strong person in the high school setting, at least the one that involves bullying, and since kids around here always joke about Jews, but have never really met one, they'd have a hay day. I'll have to build up my courage. redface


It's okay; you can do it if you really want to! ^^

(Not as corny, lame, or cliche as it normally sounds. xp )
PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:39 pm


Thanks so much guys! I appreciate it. I plan on going to Dillard's or something this weekend to buy a large square scarf, because all I have are oblong. I might also get a knitted beret, which is similar to a snood.

I do appreciate all of the info, I'm pumped!

kingpinsqeezels


Macaroni Jesus

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:54 pm


Please tell me its not actually called a "snood" whee
PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:06 pm


Donovinhs Knight
Please tell me its not actually called a "snood" whee
Yeah, it actually is Harry. So blaugh !

kingpinsqeezels


Macaroni Jesus

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:17 pm


kingpinsqeezels
Donovinhs Knight
Please tell me its not actually called a "snood" whee
Yeah, it actually is Harry. So blaugh !


"snood" reminds me too much of "snog" gonk
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