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 Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:48 pm
I don't even know what to say about this as of now mad http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070214/ap_on_re_us/abortion_death_certificatesQuote: Death certificates for abotions proposed NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Legislation introduced in Tennessee would require death certificates for aborted fetuses, which likely would create public records identifying women who have abortions Rep. Stacey Campfield, a Republican, said his bill would provide a way to track how many abortions are performed. He predicted it would pass in the Republican-controlled Senate but would have a hard time making it through the Democratic House. "All these people who say they are pro-life — at least we would see how many lives are being ended out there by abortions," said Campfield. The number of abortions reported to the state Office of Vital Records is already publicly available. The office collects records — but not death certificates — on abortions and the deaths of fetuses after 22 weeks gestation or weighing about 1 pound. The identities of the women who have abortions are not included in those records, but death certificates include identifying information such as Social Security numbers. Campfield's bill, introduced Monday, would give abortion providers 10 days following an "induced termination of a pregnancy" to file a death certificate. House Judiciary Chairman Rob Briley, a Democrat, called Campfield's proposal "the most preposterous bill I've seen" in an eight-year legislative career. "It is totally inconsistent with everything the law contemplates as it relates to anything close to that subject," he said. The anti-abortion group Tennessee Right to Life has not yet taken a position on the death certificate bill, said spokeswoman Myra Simons. But she said the organization applauds the sponsors' efforts to "draw attention to the way abortion is handled in Tennessee." Keri Adams, vice president of Planned Parenthood in Tennessee, on Wednesday called the proposal an attempt to terrorize frightened and vulnerable women who are seeking abortion. "We certainly hope the Tennessee Legislature doesn't invest too much energy in this bill," she said. "We think it's clearly a violation of privacy, and potentially illegal concerning HIPAA regulations."
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:55 pm
Okay, someone tell me if I'm wrong or not.
But wouldn't this be stating that life begins at contreception?
But it makes no sense, to give out death certificates because they didn't even have BIRTH CERTIFICATES.
You can't give someone a death certificate if she/he was never born in the first place!
I think this is just a ploy to guilt and torture women who abort.
Also another way for anti choicers terrorists to harm these women by having their names and SS numbers on the certificates.
I don't know whats worse, this, or that guy in kansas who was trying to get access to all of the womens' medical records to 'see if anywrong doing was taking place' mad
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:28 pm
There are so many things wrong with that, I don't even know where to start! This is a horrible invasion of privacy! And since when does something without legal personhood have legal documents? I just . . . that's just messed up!
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:56 pm
How utterly impractical, and a complete waste of resources.
I would be infuriated if such a law were to pass.
1. It is discrimination. Why are aborted fetii afforded social security numbers after they are dead while those that are alive are not receiving such benefits when, arguably, they are the ones who actually stand to gain from the benefits? Either all fetii should be afforded the right to a social security number or none of them should be.
2. It is expensive. Are you aware that your social security number is something that must be bought? Are you aware that a death certificate also costs money? Are you also aware that it costs a significant amount of revenue to maintain those records on a file? So, why are we wasting our resources granting such things to those after they have died? (Obviously, the death certificate isn't given to someone who is alive, so scratch that factor from my recent question.)
3. It is highly contradictory and illogical given our current legal system. Social security numbers, death certificates, and other such documentation are only afforded to people. Federal law defines personhood as beginning at birth and not a moment sooner. Why are we affording such things to those that are not, currently, legally classified as people? That would be akin to mandating that we do the same for our pets.
4. This particular legislation may have unintended, unforeseen consequences. People are, generally, not treated as biohazardous material when they die -- they are typically well taken care of in a "respectful" manner. Are we going to soon require that fetii be afforded funeral rights or, at least, crematory rights?
5. What about naturally occurring miscarriages? Do those fetii deserve death certificates and social security numbers as well? If not, why not? And, furthermore, how do you intend to discover whether or not a miscarriage has occurred?
There are just way too many problems with this particular legislation. I cannot believe that, once again, these people who hold such prominent positions are wasting the publics time and money.
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:32 pm
Tennessee can ******** off and die.
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:06 pm
MipsyKitten Tennessee can ******** off and die.
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:24 pm
Trite~Elegy But wouldn't this be stating that life begins at contreception? Sorry, but that's a really funny malapropism. xd Back to the topic, I agree with the guy who said it was proposterous. It doesn't begin to make sense or serve any useful purpose. Haven't they got better things to legislate about? stressed
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:23 am
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What...?
No...what...?
Seriously, what kind of s**t brained idea is that?
Jesus.
There are no words. neutral ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:31 am
lol does that mean women would have to start naming their fetii? Even without knowing the gender? So I guess women who have miscarriages early on in pregnancy would also have to make up a death certificate and stuff like that....but what about those fertilized eggs that were never implanted? How would we know!!!??? Oh Gods! We have to start writing death certificates now for every woman who is sexually active and has a period!!! Just in case!!
xd ;
Stupid, stupid law...
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:38 am
i agree with Frills. the only words i can think of are WTF and LOL. those aren't even words, for God's sake!
wow, how ******** stupid can one group of people be? i think these guys in Tennesee answered my question. this doesn't even make me mad, it's so stupid, there's no way in hell it will pass. if it does, well, we're all ********, that's for sure.
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:21 am
Quote: on abortions and the deaths of fetuses after 22 weeks So most abortions would not have them, which is good. But most abortions after this point in time are done out of medical necessity. Aren't these women terrorized enough by the fact they need to abort the severely disabled/dead fetus they actually wanted without needing to go through with the legal procedures involving death certificates? It does not solve any problem pro-lifers deal with. They want to stop early abortions. This doesn't stop that. They want to stop elective abortions without medical necessity. This doesn't stop that. They want to permit abortions in case of the woman's health and necessity. This makes that more traumatizing. And they wonder why we think they're just stupid and don't think their ideals through?
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:28 am
Invasion of privacy much?
Meet my aborted foetus, Johnny McCondomFailure.
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:58 pm
damn politicians. instead of actully doing some good for their community or the world they sit around and argue over wether or not an aborted fetus ahould have a death certificate. not to mention if the bill were to actually pass it would be a horrible invasion of privacy. Women who've had an abortion have enough to deal with, they don't need crazy pro-lifers coming after them.
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:10 pm
Trite~Elegy Okay, someone tell me if I'm wrong or not.
But wouldn't this be stating that life begins at contreception?
But it makes no sense, to give out death certificates because they didn't even have BIRTH CERTIFICATES.
You can't give someone a death certificate if she/he was never born in the first place!
I think this is just a ploy to guilt and torture women who abort.
Also another way for anti choicers terrorists to harm these women by having their names and SS numbers on the certificates.
I don't know whats worse, this, or that guy in kansas who was trying to get access to all of the womens' medical records to 'see if anywrong doing was taking place' mad *Claps* There we go!!! Seriously! Yes, let's also publish their street addresses and hone phones! Wouldn't this be implying life starts at conception? rolleyes ...Just MAYBE!
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:07 pm
Ruby Faerie Invasion of privacy much? Meet my aborted foetus, Johnny McCondomFailure.
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