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 Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:09 pm
Ok, in case you have not noticed, I haven't really been online for about a week now. Not only have I been sick as a dog, but I've had to do tech work for the school play. So, unfortunately, that leaves no time for internet. So anyway, I come back, scan through some threads, and notice something. Something that bothers me. And probably bothers a lot of people. I'm just the one who gets to say it.
For the past few weeks, I've seen way too many threads asking for spells. Now, there's nothing wrong with asking for advice or help with anything, but...come now, children. If you want to use magick, then you have to know at least a little bit about it, preferably you would have studied it for quite a while before you even attempt serious spells, incantations, or...curses. I am, in no way, an authority on magick, but if there's one thing I know about it, it's that you don't ******** with it. If someone at school calls you fat, you don't go putting hexes and curses on them. Just go ahead and verbally (or physically, for that matter) kick their a**. If you don't like your acne, magick is not the answer. Go talk to a dermatoligist. If the kid you have a crush on dosen't like you back, don't look for love spells. Suck it up and let your self esteem take a hit.
Even if you don't believe in Karma, you have to at least believe in some sort of, bad things I do will adventually come back and bite me in the a**. Whether it's natural forces or a God that punishes you, chances are you'll pay for it.
So, in closing this wonderfully bitchy rant, learn to deal with life problems like the rest of us have. Even if you're an optimistic person, you have to agree that at some point, life is going to suck a**. You're going to hate it, and want to do something to change it. But magick is not the answer. If you're not responsible enough to know that putting a curse on someone isn't such a good idea, frankly I don't think you're suited for this guild. Or life. So please, just go ahead and jump of some tall building on to a large metal spike. Or take a bath in straight Clorox. It'll make you extra clean.
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Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:55 pm
Ok, ok, calm down, miss dras. I get what youre saying, don't use magick for everything. Life is full of ups and downs, and there's no reason to always try to fix your life with magick. I agree and disagree.
I agree because people should have the maturity to know that magick isn't a cureall. They should know that there are things that should just be played out, and things that they should just let slide. This is true. Plus, its not like magick is an instifix. Magick takes a good amount of time to manifest if cast correctly.
However, I think there are things that magick is perfectly fine for. Like trying to get some extra cash in your pocket for the future. For ensuring that you get to school on time and the like and that you achieve your goal grade for the science faire by enhancing its appeal. Theres nothing wrong, at least I thikn, in giving the attempt to make your life a lil better. You have the technology. You can make yourself stronger, faster, etc. But know what your doing at least, an be prepared for comeback.
Magick isn't always a GPS, but it is always a steering wheel. It'll get you where you need to go if you know how to get there. But again, I do advocate using magick to fix problems when you feel its necessary; or even when its one thing out of several that you just can't ******** deal with and you just want to make a difference in so you don't feel quite so hapless and hopeless.
...So yea. neutral
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Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:38 pm
Aila-al-Jehan Ok, ok, calm down, miss dras. I get what youre saying, don't use magick for everything. Life is full of ups and downs, and there's no reason to always try to fix your life with magick. I agree and disagree.
I agree because people should have the maturity to know that magick isn't a cureall. They should know that there are things that should just be played out, and things that they should just let slide. This is true. Plus, its not like magick is an instifix. Magick takes a good amount of time to manifest if cast correctly.
However, I think there are things that magick is perfectly fine for. Like trying to get some extra cash in your pocket for the future. For ensuring that you get to school on time and the like and that you achieve your goal grade for the science faire by enhancing its appeal. Theres nothing wrong, at least I thikn, in giving the attempt to make your life a lil better. You have the technology. You can make yourself stronger, faster, etc. But know what your doing at least, an be prepared for comeback.
Magick isn't always a GPS, but it is always a steering wheel. It'll get you where you need to go if you know how to get there. But again, I do advocate using magick to fix problems when you feel its necessary; or even when its one thing out of several that you just can't ******** deal with and you just want to make a difference in so you don't feel quite so hapless and hopeless.
...So yea. neutral I do understand that there are times when using magick is acceptable. If I didn't, I'd be saying, "don't use magick at all. Ever." But there is something I don't agree with, at least not entirely. You stated, "But again, I do advocate using magick to fix problems when you feel its necessary...." A large part of my OP was pointing out the fact that some, expecially those new to magick, don't know the rights and wrongs of it. If I really, really hate some kid who called my friend stupid, I might feel it necessary to put some sort of curse on him. But that dosen't mean I should. I mean, I understand impaired judgement and being blinded by intense feelings (I once was completely convinced I needed to kill my father to save my mother and myself, but lucky for him, he was away for a few days. But that's another story for another day), but that dosen't mean it's right. And yes, you could argue, "who are you to say what's right and wrong?" I would simply reply with, "I'm only trying to protect you and everyone you could come in contact with."
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Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:59 pm
DrasBrisingr Aila-al-Jehan Ok, ok, calm down, miss dras. I get what youre saying, don't use magick for everything. Life is full of ups and downs, and there's no reason to always try to fix your life with magick. I agree and disagree.
I agree because people should have the maturity to know that magick isn't a cureall. They should know that there are things that should just be played out, and things that they should just let slide. This is true. Plus, its not like magick is an instifix. Magick takes a good amount of time to manifest if cast correctly.
However, I think there are things that magick is perfectly fine for. Like trying to get some extra cash in your pocket for the future. For ensuring that you get to school on time and the like and that you achieve your goal grade for the science faire by enhancing its appeal. Theres nothing wrong, at least I thikn, in giving the attempt to make your life a lil better. You have the technology. You can make yourself stronger, faster, etc. But know what your doing at least, an be prepared for comeback.
Magick isn't always a GPS, but it is always a steering wheel. It'll get you where you need to go if you know how to get there. But again, I do advocate using magick to fix problems when you feel its necessary; or even when its one thing out of several that you just can't ******** deal with and you just want to make a difference in so you don't feel quite so hapless and hopeless.
...So yea. neutral I do understand that there are times when using magick is acceptable. If I didn't, I'd be saying, "don't use magick at all. Ever." But there is something I don't agree with, at least not entirely. You stated, "But again, I do advocate using magick to fix problems when you feel its necessary...." A large part of my OP was pointing out the fact that some, expecially those new to magick, don't know the rights and wrongs of it. If I really, really hate some kid who called my friend stupid, I might feel it necessary to put some sort of curse on him. But that dosen't mean I should. I mean, I understand impaired judgement and being blinded by intense feelings (I once was completely convinced I needed to kill my father to save my mother and myself, but lucky for him, he was away for a few days. But that's another story for another day), but that dosen't mean it's right. And yes, you could argue, "who are you to say what's right and wrong?" I would simply reply with, "I'm only trying to protect you and everyone you could come in contact with."
I do advocate using revenge spells, because revenge does feel good. I advocate chaging people's minds, meta-forcefully, should the need arise. The sad thing is, these things do need to be used sometimes, and things need to be changed. Yes, revenge may be "wrong" in someones eyes, but I see no harm in it myself. However, the person getting revenge should consider the bagkground and the foreground first before getting to that level.
She is right. Some spells are just not for newbies. But that why youre newbies... you grow to be oldbies so you can make decisions.
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Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:25 pm
I just want to remind you that suicide encouragement is against Gaia's TOS...
You might wanna be careful about that kind of stuff.
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Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:53 pm
Dras,
Thank you. I honestly agree with your ideas. Sometimes people can't handle things going their way and instead of trying to be reasonable, they turn to magic. Instead of trying to compromise, they use curses or something.
Dumb.
Magic can be helpful, but it shouldn't be messed with. Magic should be used as a last resort. Sometimes that one person who raped a friend can't be punished legally or physically. Then you can turn to magic. That's reasonable. Its naive and irresponsible to use it simply because someone is doing something you don't want them to do.
Magic should not be an excuse to avoid life and its complexities.
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Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:56 pm
Aila-al-Jehan DrasBrisingr Aila-al-Jehan Ok, ok, calm down, miss dras. I get what youre saying, don't use magick for everything. Life is full of ups and downs, and there's no reason to always try to fix your life with magick. I agree and disagree.
I agree because people should have the maturity to know that magick isn't a cureall. They should know that there are things that should just be played out, and things that they should just let slide. This is true. Plus, its not like magick is an instifix. Magick takes a good amount of time to manifest if cast correctly.
However, I think there are things that magick is perfectly fine for. Like trying to get some extra cash in your pocket for the future. For ensuring that you get to school on time and the like and that you achieve your goal grade for the science faire by enhancing its appeal. Theres nothing wrong, at least I thikn, in giving the attempt to make your life a lil better. You have the technology. You can make yourself stronger, faster, etc. But know what your doing at least, an be prepared for comeback.
Magick isn't always a GPS, but it is always a steering wheel. It'll get you where you need to go if you know how to get there. But again, I do advocate using magick to fix problems when you feel its necessary; or even when its one thing out of several that you just can't ******** deal with and you just want to make a difference in so you don't feel quite so hapless and hopeless.
...So yea. neutral I do understand that there are times when using magick is acceptable. If I didn't, I'd be saying, "don't use magick at all. Ever." But there is something I don't agree with, at least not entirely. You stated, "But again, I do advocate using magick to fix problems when you feel its necessary...." A large part of my OP was pointing out the fact that some, expecially those new to magick, don't know the rights and wrongs of it. If I really, really hate some kid who called my friend stupid, I might feel it necessary to put some sort of curse on him. But that dosen't mean I should. I mean, I understand impaired judgement and being blinded by intense feelings (I once was completely convinced I needed to kill my father to save my mother and myself, but lucky for him, he was away for a few days. But that's another story for another day), but that dosen't mean it's right. And yes, you could argue, "who are you to say what's right and wrong?" I would simply reply with, "I'm only trying to protect you and everyone you could come in contact with."
I do advocate using revenge spells, because revenge does feel good. I advocate chaging people's minds, meta-forcefully, should the need arise. The sad thing is, these things do need to be used sometimes, and things need to be changed. Yes, revenge may be "wrong" in someones eyes, but I see no harm in it myself. However, the person getting revenge should consider the bagkground and the foreground first before getting to that level.
She is right. Some spells are just not for newbies. But that why youre newbies... you grow to be oldbies so you can make decisions. So, in your mind, taking out magickal revenge on my father for making my life a living hell is completely acceptable? Believe me, I still dream about killing or seriously injuring my father. I'll be in a store, see a pair of scissors or a garden trowel, and think, "wow, that would look good sticking out of my father's chest." I have a lot of pent up hate and anger toward my father, but I live on the fact that I only have a few more months left before I can be free of it. I've survived 17 years living with him, and about 5 or 6 with his mostly verbal yet sometimes physical abuse. If I've been able to live with that, not to mention my fair share of bullies, without exacting magickal revenge, then it's possible to keep magick out of it. Physical revenge is still better than magickal revenge. I've hit my father with a 2x4, which felt damn good, but I think chasing your daughter around with a power drill merits at least one good smack in the head. So I say, stick with physical revenge. Or verbal. There's nothing wrong with a nice verbal a** kicking every once in a while. Some people take hits to their face better than hits to their reputation. I don't agree with manipulation. You can ruin someone's life in the same way they've ruined yours without changing their mind or affecting how they percieve something. People are something you just don't mess with. There are things worse than death. Regardless of how much you hate someone, there is someone who loves them. And Obscurus, I'm simply stating my opinion that some people do not deserve to be living. I personally think modern medicine keeps the morons alive long enough to procreate, which, in turn, ******** us all over. I'm not saying, "hey you, kill yourself now. No one likes you. Go die, b***h." I am not encouraging any single person to commit suicide. I am simply stating that immaturity and irresponsibility are inexcusable and the most decent thing to do would be to end it entirely.
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Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:17 pm
I'd say, unless people actually ask for what's morally the right thing to do, mention it, but don't try to enforce it by withholding information about it. Yes, you /are/ helping folk by showing them the moral high ground, but who cares about the friggin' moral high ground? Let people make their mistakes - who knows, what they do might actually bring some good into the world; What they do might actually work out for the best.
Magick's for experimenting with, for ******** with; if we didn't push boundaries and do utterly stupid things, we'd get nowhere. Besides, Aila might accidentally seduce a goat with her little dohickey, and let's face it, that'd be bloody hysterical. XD
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Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:30 pm
Mitsh I'd say, unless people actually ask for what's morally the right thing to do, mention it, but don't try to enforce it by withholding information about it. Yes, you /are/ helping folk by showing them the moral high ground, but who cares about the friggin' moral high ground? Let people make their mistakes - who knows, what they do might actually bring some good into the world; What they do might actually work out for the best. Magick's for experimenting with, for ******** with; if we didn't push boundaries and do utterly stupid things, we'd get nowhere. Besides, Aila might accidentally seduce a goat with her little dohickey, and let's face it, that'd be bloody hysterical. XDEh, I'm not really trying to show anyone a "moral high ground". I'm simply expressing my dislike of a certain occurence in the guild, and defending the point. And your logic can be pushed both ways. If we give a loaded gun to a six-year-old, and tell them to have fun, what exactly do you think they're going to do with it? They might shoot someone, but they might not? If we don't tell them that it is capable of seriously injuring someone, do the chances increase? If they don't understand the concept of death? Are any lives lost all "for the best?" Do you have to kill someone to know that death is wrong? Do you have to have a spell backfire before you realize that they can and do backfire? I'm getting way too damn preacher-ish about this. I think lack of sleep makes me much more loquacious, but much less coherent.
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:46 am
DrasBrisingr Mitsh I'd say, unless people actually ask for what's morally the right thing to do, mention it, but don't try to enforce it by withholding information about it. Yes, you /are/ helping folk by showing them the moral high ground, but who cares about the friggin' moral high ground? Let people make their mistakes - who knows, what they do might actually bring some good into the world; What they do might actually work out for the best. Magick's for experimenting with, for ******** with; if we didn't push boundaries and do utterly stupid things, we'd get nowhere. Besides, Aila might accidentally seduce a goat with her little dohickey, and let's face it, that'd be bloody hysterical. XDEh, I'm not really trying to show anyone a "moral high ground". I'm simply expressing my dislike of a certain occurence in the guild, and defending the point. And your logic can be pushed both ways. If we give a loaded gun to a six-year-old, and tell them to have fun, what exactly do you think they're going to do with it? They might shoot someone, but they might not? If we don't tell them that it is capable of seriously injuring someone, do the chances increase? If they don't understand the concept of death? Are any lives lost all "for the best?" Do you have to kill someone to know that death is wrong? Do you have to have a spell backfire before you realize that they can and do backfire? I'm getting way too damn preacher-ish about this. I think lack of sleep makes me much more loquacious, but much less coherent. Touché, chief. XD I think the difference between your example and the present situation is that the folk using the spell should be told (even in passing) how moral the thing they're doing is, the backlash they could face and so on, that way they can look at it responsibly, which a six year old probably could not. If the person looking for advice seems as though they could take responsibility for what they're doing, then it's koo - they should be given a warning beforehand of possible consequences. If they seem irresponsible... well, that's really the individual's call. I'd probably still give them the warning and let them shoot themselves in the foot, I think.
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:29 pm
*sits back and munches popcorn*
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:39 pm
Mitsh I'd say, unless people actually ask for what's morally the right thing to do, mention it, but don't try to enforce it by withholding information about it. Yes, you /are/ helping folk by showing them the moral high ground, but who cares about the friggin' moral high ground? Let people make their mistakes - who knows, what they do might actually bring some good into the world; What they do might actually work out for the best. Magick's for experimenting with, for ******** with; if we didn't push boundaries and do utterly stupid things, we'd get nowhere. Besides, Aila might accidentally seduce a goat with her little dohickey, and let's face it, that'd be bloody hysterical. XD
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:45 pm
DrasBrisingr Aila-al-Jehan DrasBrisingr Aila-al-Jehan Ok, ok, calm down, miss dras. I get what youre saying, don't use magick for everything. Life is full of ups and downs, and there's no reason to always try to fix your life with magick. I agree and disagree.
I agree because people should have the maturity to know that magick isn't a cureall. They should know that there are things that should just be played out, and things that they should just let slide. This is true. Plus, its not like magick is an instifix. Magick takes a good amount of time to manifest if cast correctly.
However, I think there are things that magick is perfectly fine for. Like trying to get some extra cash in your pocket for the future. For ensuring that you get to school on time and the like and that you achieve your goal grade for the science faire by enhancing its appeal. Theres nothing wrong, at least I thikn, in giving the attempt to make your life a lil better. You have the technology. You can make yourself stronger, faster, etc. But know what your doing at least, an be prepared for comeback.
Magick isn't always a GPS, but it is always a steering wheel. It'll get you where you need to go if you know how to get there. But again, I do advocate using magick to fix problems when you feel its necessary; or even when its one thing out of several that you just can't ******** deal with and you just want to make a difference in so you don't feel quite so hapless and hopeless.
...So yea. neutral I do understand that there are times when using magick is acceptable. If I didn't, I'd be saying, "don't use magick at all. Ever." But there is something I don't agree with, at least not entirely. You stated, "But again, I do advocate using magick to fix problems when you feel its necessary...." A large part of my OP was pointing out the fact that some, expecially those new to magick, don't know the rights and wrongs of it. If I really, really hate some kid who called my friend stupid, I might feel it necessary to put some sort of curse on him. But that dosen't mean I should. I mean, I understand impaired judgement and being blinded by intense feelings (I once was completely convinced I needed to kill my father to save my mother and myself, but lucky for him, he was away for a few days. But that's another story for another day), but that dosen't mean it's right. And yes, you could argue, "who are you to say what's right and wrong?" I would simply reply with, "I'm only trying to protect you and everyone you could come in contact with."
I do advocate using revenge spells, because revenge does feel good. I advocate chaging people's minds, meta-forcefully, should the need arise. The sad thing is, these things do need to be used sometimes, and things need to be changed. Yes, revenge may be "wrong" in someones eyes, but I see no harm in it myself. However, the person getting revenge should consider the bagkground and the foreground first before getting to that level.
She is right. Some spells are just not for newbies. But that why youre newbies... you grow to be oldbies so you can make decisions. Quote: So, in your mind, taking out magickal revenge on my father for making my life a living hell is completely acceptable? ....So I say, stick with physical revenge. Or verbal. There's nothing wrong with a nice verbal a** kicking every once in a while. Some people take hits to their face better than hits to their reputation. I don't agree with manipulation. You can ruin someone's life in the same way they've ruined yours without changing their mind or affecting how they percieve something. People are something you just don't mess with. There are things worse than death. Regardless of how much you hate someone, there is someone who loves them.
If my dad was making my life a living hell, yes, Id do whatever I can to make his one back. Physically, metaphysically, verbally, emotionally, whatever. In my mind, no father should do that to you. No one deserves it. Malice deserves nothing but malice.
And In my mind, physical or metaphysical, its an action. No difference. Magick is a tool that should be practiced with, used when needed, and handled with care. But its also about as all purpose as a non-physical tool on a physical realm can be. But again, thats just me. If you don't agree, thats all you.
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:46 pm
a**l Jesus *sits back and munches popcorn*
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:17 pm
Aila-al-Jehan a**l Jesus *sits back and munches popcorn* Poisoned the popcorn. blaugh
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