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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:56 am
Once again, it seems as though the 2004 will follow in the footsteps of the 2000 election, it is going to be another long wait until we find out who is the president of America. We all have our opinions regarding this election, whether you have been following it closely or not. What do you think of the results? Do you think Bush won (as the White House has announced? Do you think Kerry was right in conceding?)
Whoever is chosen, whether you are in the US or not, will effect all of our futures. Forming an opinion on this subject is important.
--Ari
CURRENT NEWS: We lost ;_;
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:55 pm
We lost. cry
I believe in freedom. Freedom of religion. Freedom of choice. Freedom of love. Freedom of sex. Freedom to be myself. Freedom for YOU to be YOURSELF. I fight for your right to choose or not choose to have an abortion. I fight for your right to love who you want, be it man or woman. I fight for your right to believe in a god, goddess as well as your right not to. I fight for your right to check out library books, to have equal education, to have the ability to achieve a better life. I believe in your rights and mine; those rights to live how we choose. I believe in our right to our own destiny. I do not believe in the government choosing how I live my life, telling me what is right from what is wrong.
George W. Bush believes in war. In blood for oil. In keeping gays and lesbians in second class citizenship. He believes in controlling my life, my medical decisions, and my uterus. He believes in telling me what I should think is right for ME. Bigotry, classism, sexism, heterosexism, capitalism. The man has a superiority complex.
George W. Bush, I demand an apology. I demand that you use the next four years to correct the wrongs you have inflicted on this country. I demand that you have a heart and let AMERICAN CITIZENS live as true American citizens.
Remember, you have to be elected in the first place to run as the incumbant.
I do not believe in you. I do not believe you deserve this. You do not deserve a second chance.
I stood left of politics before 2000. George W. Bush made me a radical.
I love my country By which I mean I am indebted joyfully to all the people throughout its history who have fought the government to make right. -Ani DiFranco, "Grand Canyon"
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:35 pm
We lost...Gameover man...Gameover... We hippies should just start digging underground to make a shelter\underground living center of peace. Just like that ben folds five song...Underground... crying
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:24 pm
you guys probably will hate me, but I am happy. I agree Bush is a scum bag, but I'm used to him and don't want to get used to a new creep. I think this election was a lose lose situation. But then again I'll never really like a canidate til lthey recognize the virgen islands!!! I think what Kerry did was very smart. I think he was right not to drag it out like in 2000. He's a good guy for that.
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:16 am
I have to admit that now I feel less safer. I think bbush will try to make the wold hate muslims as mutch Hitler made the wold hate jews. I belive he will start a new war...maby a world war 3. I also think he wil make an even bigger class divided society.
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:02 am
I live in Canada. Thank god. But that still means he is the most powerful man in the world. A man with that little intelligence should not have enough fire power to cause nucular winter.
That also means gays and lesbians are going to still be "second class citizens" Because of thier lifestlye. Bush should be a second class citizen! He does not have the right!
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 8:05 am
Enlightened Ghost I have to admit that now I feel less safer. I think bbush will try to make the wold hate muslims as mutch Hitler made the wold hate jews. I belive he will start a new war...maby a world war 3. I also think he wil make an even bigger class divided society. As much as Bush wants to make people hate, the people themselfs have the choice on who to hate. The world didn't hate jews when hitler was in power, only his followers did. This is a good link to check out if your bored, http://www.wsws.org/us2004/ . We need a Socialist president for 2008.
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:11 am
Rats_have_rights Enlightened Ghost I have to admit that now I feel less safer. I think bbush will try to make the wold hate muslims as mutch Hitler made the wold hate jews. I belive he will start a new war...maby a world war 3. I also think he wil make an even bigger class divided society. As much as Bush wants to make people hate, the people themselfs have the choice on who to hate. The world didn't hate jews when hitler was in power, only his followers did. This is a good link to check out if your bored, http://www.wsws.org/us2004/ . We need a Socialist president for 2008. :/ here I noticed way big difference from Clinton to Bush. When clinton was president, rasism/nazism was not big and people were generally happy here. Since Bush started the Iraqui war I noticed that fewer and fewer people accsept muslims and that racists/nazis gets more respect and more friends that the ones that are for equality and human rights...They also started a Nazi organisation, calld Vigrid, that are supported by the cops here. The were about to turn into a political party, but luckily the state dident approve... So I just thought "If Bush has that big of an impact on Norway, then it has to be worse in the States" Intresting to see an American socialist party ^^
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:51 pm
There goes America. Time to pack up and move to one of the Netheralnd's capitals, Amsterdam.
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:39 pm
The day after the election, I was sort of in a daze (sure it may just have been that I had lost one contact earlier and it was making me dizzy but whatever). My friends and I left 7th period to just go sit in the hall together and reflect. We must have looked pretty down because someone walked by us and asked if we were stoned. Hm, there was an idea...but no, no we were just sad. Sad for the past 4 years of protesting (seemingly in vain), for the 4 years ahead, and for the cost of gas it takes to get to Canada.
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:43 pm
Kocachino The day after the election, I was sort of in a daze (sure it may just have been that I had lost one contact earlier and it was making me dizzy but whatever). My friends and I left 7th period to just go sit in the hall together and reflect. We must have looked pretty down because someone walked by us and asked if we were stoned. Hm, there was an idea...but no, no we were just sad. Sad for the past 4 years of protesting (seemingly in vain), for the 4 years ahead, and for the cost of gas it takes to get to Canada. Heh. Well said, my friend. wink
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:38 pm
I got this letter and i'll know this will make everyone laugh because its true. xd
11/5/04
Dear Friends,
Ok, it sucks. Really sucks. But before you go and cash it all in, let's, in the words of Monty Python, 'always look on the bright side of life!' There IS some good news from Tuesday's election.
Here are 17 reasons not to slit your wrists:
1. It is against the law for George W. Bush to run for president again.
2. Bush's victory was the NARROWEST win for a sitting president since Woodrow Wilson in 1916.
3. The only age group in which the majority voted for Kerry was young adults (Kerry: 54%, Bush: 44%), proving once again that your parents are always wrong and you should never listen to them.
4. In spite of Bush's win, the majority of Americans still think the country is headed in the wrong direction (56%), think the war wasn't worth fighting (51%), and don't approve of the job George W. Bush is doing (52%). (Note to foreigners: Don't try to figure this one out. It's an American thing, like Pop Tarts.)
5. The Republicans will not have a filibuster-proof 60-seat majority in the Senate. If the Democrats do their job, Bush won't be able to pack the Supreme Court with right-wing ideologues. Did I say "if the Democrats do their job?" Um, maybe better to scratch this one.
6. Michigan voted for Kerry! So did the entire Northeast, the birthplace of our democracy. So did 6 of the 8 Great Lakes States. And the whole West Coast! Plus Hawaii. Ok, that's a start. We've got most of the fresh water, all of Broadway, and Mt. St. Helens. We can dehydrate them or bury them in lava. And no more show tunes!
7. Once again we are reminded that the buckeye is a nut, and not just any old nut -- a poisonous nut. A great nation was felled by a poisonous nut. May Ohio State pay dearly this Saturday when it faces Michigan.
8. 88% of Bush's support came from white voters. In 50 years, America will no longer have a white majority. Hey, 50 years isn't such a long time! If you're ten years old and reading this, your golden years will be truly golden and you will be well cared for in your old age.
9. Gays, thanks to the ballot measures passed on Tuesday, cannot get married in 11 new states. Thank God. Just think of all those wedding gifts we won't have to buy now.
10. Five more African Americans were elected as members of Congress, including the return of Cynthia McKinney of Georgia. It's always good to have more blacks in there fighting for us and doing the job our candidates can't.
11. The CEO of Coors was defeated for Senate in Colorado. Drink up!
12. Admit it: We like the Bush twins and we don't want them to go away.
13. At the state legislative level, Democrats picked up a net of at least 3 chambers in Tuesday's elections. Of the 98 partisan-controlled state legislative chambers (house/assembly and senate), Democrats went into the 2004 elections in control of 44 chambers, Republicans controlled 53 chambers, and 1 chamber was tied. After Tuesday, Democrats now control 47 chambers, Republicans control 49 chambers, 1 chamber is tied and 1 chamber (Montana House) is still undecided.
14. Bush is now a lame duck president. He will have no greater moment than the one he's having this week. It's all downhill for him from here on out -- and, more significantly, he's just not going to want to do all the hard work that will be expected of him. It'll be like everyone's last month in 12th grade -- you've already made it, so it's party time! Perhaps he'll treat the next four years like a permanent Friday, spending even more time at the ranch or in Kennebunkport. And why shouldn't he? He's already proved his point, avenged his father and kicked our a**.
15. Should Bush decide to show up to work and take this country down a very dark road, it is also just as likely that either of the following two scenarios will happen: a) Now that he doesn't ever need to pander to the Christian conservatives again to get elected, someone may whisper in his ear that he should spend these last four years building "a legacy" so that history will render a kinder verdict on him and thus he will not push for too aggressive a right-wing agenda; or b) He will become so cocky and arrogant -- and thus, reckless -- that he will commit a blunder of such major proportions that even his own party will have to remove him from office.
16. There are nearly 300 million Americans -- 200 million of them of voting age. We only lost by three and a half million! That's not a landslide -- it means we're almost there. Imagine losing by 20 million. If you had 58 yards to go before you reached the goal line and then you barreled down 55 of those yards, would you stop on the three yard line, pick up the ball and go home crying -- especially when you get to start the next down on the three yard line? Of course not! Buck up! Have hope! More sports analogies are coming!!!
17. Finally and most importantly, over 55 million Americans voted for the candidate dubbed "The #1 Liberal in the Senate." That's more than the total number of voters who voted for either Reagan, Bush I, Clinton or Gore. Again, more people voted for Kerry than Reagan. If the media are looking for a trend it should be this -- that so many Americans were, for the first time since Kennedy, willing to vote for an out-and-out liberal. The country has always been filled with evangelicals -- that is not news. What IS news is that so many people have shifted toward a Massachusetts liberal. In fact, that's BIG news. Which means, don't expect the mainstream media, the ones who brought you the Iraq War, to ever report the real truth about November 2, 2004. In fact, it's better that they don't. We'll need the element of surprise in 2008.
Feeling better? I hope so. As my friend Mort wrote me yesterday, "My Romanian grandfather used to say to me, 'Remember, Morton, this is such a wonderful country -- it doesn't even need a president!'"
But it needs us. Rest up, I'll write you again tomorrow.
Yours,
Michael Moore MMFlint@aol.com www.michaelmoore.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:06 pm
*cries* i hate bush... crying crying crying crying crying crying crying thats al i have to say...
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:56 am
I didn't realize the election would affect me so deeply, but after I heard Kerry conceded, all I wanted to do was stay at home and drink gin and tonics (and post xd ). The only reason I even left the apartment for like two weeks was to go get more gin, tonic water, and limes. I didn't even go to work, and as a consequence had to go and get another crappy job recently. Now I'm at least more functional and have stopped with the gin and tonics, but I still feel like a certain hope inside me has died. It's strange how something like this can affect a person so deeply... then again, it does make sense.
I was born in this country. I can't afford to move anywhere else. It seems I have no choice but to stay here and learn how to be a better advocate for social justice and good stuff like that.
Who knows what the future has in store? MUST THINK POSITIVE. It's very nice to be part of this guild! blaugh xd smile biggrin blaugh xd smile biggrin blaugh xd smile biggrin
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:52 am
I am thoroughly amazed at this thread! YES!!! I AM NOT ALONE!!!! For the past several months I have been bombared by my fellow Texans because I was/am a Kerry supporter. I'm so happy that I can get in here and agree with all the great stuff you guys are saying. I saw so many things that I wanted to quote and respond to, so I'll just put it this way... I agree with everyone that believes Bush is bad for America. He is an idiot, he has no strategic sense whatsoever.
Kerry is a great man, and I will always support the liberals that the dumb butts in society try to shoot down. I'll stand up for anyone that believes in my rights, my opinion and my freedom. I was devestated when I found out that he conceded. I thought for sure that America would make the right choice, and granted most of them did... but why couldnt they all see the truth? That's alright. America will see the error of it's ways. They will see the downfall that Bush is going to bring upon us. They will learn from their oh so fatal mistakes. Let them suffer. They chose, now they must deal with it.
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