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All styles should teach how to breakfall.
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Triste

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:50 am


Yes, breakfalls/ukemi and rolls. Most often identified with Aikido, Judo, Jujitsu, Hapkido, and a bunch of other styles that have grappling and throws in its 'syllabus'.

We all know why knowing how to breakfall is useful:
*. lets one land safely when being thrown
*. minimizes 'downtime' when thrown/knocked down
*. useful evasion technique in general
*. useful even in daily life to lessen damage from accidents

So...do you think that ALL martial arts styles should teach it, even though they don't have it in its syllabus? We all know it's bloody useful--are there any reasons not to teach it? ninja
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:09 am


Triste
Yes, breakfalls/ukemi and rolls. Most often identified with Aikido, Judo, Jujitsu, Hapkido, and a bunch of other styles that have grappling and throws in its 'syllabus'.

We all know why knowing how to breakfall is useful:
*. lets one land safely when being thrown
*. minimizes 'downtime' when thrown/knocked down
*. useful evasion technique in general
*. useful even in daily life to lessen damage from accidents

So...do you think that ALL martial arts styles should teach it, even though they don't have it in its syllabus? We all know it's bloody useful--are there any reasons not to teach it? ninja


I suppose all teachers could devote some time at a certain point to teach their students how to fall.
Things is, few teachers feel like wasting their precious training time doing something that isn't part of their style.
But yah, it's always a good thing to learn.

JoshuaKenzo


LELIE

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:51 pm


It's one of the first things we learn after we learn the basic defences 3nodding It's really important.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:50 pm


I learned when I was practicing Judo. I like them, and they are really easy. But when we do self defense tactics, we teach the newer members how to fall without hurting themself.

Moonlight Penguin


Triste

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:01 pm


JoshuaKenzo
Things is, few teachers feel like wasting their precious training time doing something that isn't part of their style.

That's like saying their style works in ALLLLL situations... xp
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:30 pm


Triste
JoshuaKenzo
Things is, few teachers feel like wasting their precious training time doing something that isn't part of their style.

That's like saying their style works in ALLLLL situations... xp


A sad mistake, but made very, very often.

JoshuaKenzo


Coycoy

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:20 pm


I believe breakfalls are very important for me as a trainer and as a student. I actually changed my curriculum in teaching in my dojo. Most of our instructors teach the basic stick strikes as well as unarmed techniques of arnis. But I beg to differ. In my curriculum I teach students first the basics of evasions and breakfalls. 2 most important techniques you need in order to survive a violent street encounter are breakfalls as well as evasion. smile
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:26 pm


Knowing how to breakfall is a GREAT SKILL! When I was 7-8 months pregnant I slipped and fell 2 times. Thankfully I knew how to control my fall and landed landed on my side not my belly.

rofl Ninja-momma ninja

Mahlyndah


WayfarerStrife

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:11 pm


ha ... ukemi ... without ... I would suffering pains all over my body after being slammed on the ground ... It reminds of the fact that at times, when someone is about to throw me, I usually try to hug them ... if I can't ... ukemi and red plams would work ... sweatdrop
PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:12 pm


We just did breakfalls in my Sunday class. A lot of the students hate them, but it's good for them, like broccoli.

Let's face it, the breakfall is a totally unnatural act. Your body and brain is screaming "CATCH YOURSELF!!!!", but the best way to fall is to let it happen and control the impact. I came off of a roff (one story) and broke my heel because I landed on a pile of debris and if I had fallen "properly" I'd have messed myself up but good. Landing on your feet has its drawbacks.

Marty Nozz


Uggae

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:14 pm


in the adult classes i have yet to do break falls(i do know how to do it thought but i learned it like most things i learn ,the hard way, i think i finally figured out how to breakfall about the 12th time i had fallen of my bike for one reason or another[not when i first learned how to ride a bike but the 12th time i had been doing something stupid on my bike that resulted in a fall]) but my instructor teaches break falls to the childrens classes (mabey i just miss the days he teaches it to the adults which would be my luck)
PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:13 pm


I think they should. I take Hap Ki Do and I'm a black belt right now.

I was running once and someone jumped out from a corner and tryed to ridge hand me. But instead of running into his arm or trying to stop (which would have resulted in hitting his arm arm cause I have a slow stop and the ground was slanted somewhat) I jumped up and did a perfect back breakfall and kicked uped. The guy was my friend and he said he thought I was someone else who was he was trying to ridge hand.

Roth


Lunaries

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:29 pm


I can't speak for all arts, but I've noticed how no one has discussed how important breakfalls are as a courtesy to the person you are practicing with. If you do not "go with the technique" as the term is often used in Aikido, the other person cannot learn to feel what the technique is supposed to feel like. This is where breakfalls come in. If you can do a good breakfall, your partner can go more full out on you and be able to practice better, knowing that you can take the technique.

I'm not sure if it should be taught in all arts, though I think breakfall itself is a very important part of fighting.

The first thing we teach our students is breakfalling, small ukemi first, nice, easy and simple. This is however, not simple at all. It took me 6 months to be able to do a backwards ukemi properly. The big ones come after.

Also something interesting my sensei once said is that the better ukei you are, the better you will be at the technique. If you learn to relax and take the technique, it gives you an opportunity to truly feel out what the technique feels like and in return, you will learn faster. So it goes both ways.

If you guys want to see some ukemi's, go to www.isshinkan.com. I've put in a video on the front page that can be watched with Windows Media.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:34 pm


Lunaries
I can't speak for all arts, but I've noticed how no one has discussed how important breakfalls are as a courtesy to the person you are practicing with. If you do not "go with the technique" as the term is often used in Aikido, the other person cannot learn to feel what the technique is supposed to feel like. This is where breakfalls come in. If you can do a good breakfall, your partner can go more full out on you and be able to practice better, knowing that you can take the technique.

I'm not sure if it should be taught in all arts, though I think breakfall itself is a very important part of fighting.

The first thing we teach our students is breakfalling, small ukemi first, nice, easy and simple. This is however, not simple at all. It took me 6 months to be able to do a backwards ukemi properly. The big ones come after.

Also something interesting my sensei once said is that the better ukei you are, the better you will be at the technique. If you learn to relax and take the technique, it gives you an opportunity to truly feel out what the technique feels like and in return, you will learn faster. So it goes both ways.

If you guys want to see some ukemi's, go to www.isshinkan.com. I've put in a video on the front page that can be watched with Windows Media.


Interesting. I've not learned those exactly in Hap Ki Do, but I've learned the like. I learned most of those, but we practice them for the benifit of the person doing the throwing. We roll and the thrower keeps a tight grip on our hands so when the person being thrown hits the ground the thrower will be set for a lock up of some sort (ex: Arm hyper extension)

Roth


Lunaries

PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:54 am


Roth

Interesting. I've not learned those exactly in Hap Ki Do, but I've learned the like. I learned most of those, but we practice them for the benifit of the person doing the throwing. We roll and the thrower keeps a tight grip on our hands so when the person being thrown hits the ground the thrower will be set for a lock up of some sort (ex: Arm hyper extension)


I know what you mean and to a certain extent, we do that in Aikido too, except the larger throw with the joint lock happens in regular practice and not as much in demos. What you see in the video is basically what's called a randori, a free flowing demostration of techniques consecutively. That's why there were no joint locks in this particular video.
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