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OK! I went back and began to re-watch the series just because I was bored.. and I noticed something. When Heero fought Zechs again and used Trowa's Gundam ( Heavyarms), I relized that in the fight, something amazing happens.

After Relena flys into the space between the two mechs' 2 things happen.

1 : ... It shows the true size of the mechs. Her air ship simlpy floats there, miniscule to the gundams in all aspects. If you think back, Trowa FELL from the cockpit of the heavyarms, slamming into the ground after he used his combat knife the brutaly kill an OZ pilot. How could this be done? Is Trowa super-human himself?

2 : In an effort to show Relena the true ruthlessness of war, he began bashing Heero in the Heavyarms with his BEAM SABER. No slashes, only battering. If you look closely, you CAN'T say that he was using the hilt of the saber because the beam clearly connects with the suit. Does this mean that the heavyarms is basicly immune, in a sense, to beam weapons? It's alloy is persumably thicker, but there would at least be some sort of damage to show from a beam attack, correct? As I said before, Aries, Leos', Cancers, every other mobile suit has been damaged by beam weapons, Even the Gundams.. so why is it that the Heavyarms wasn't damaged by the Beam Saber?... That.. is the true point here.

Just thought I would point those things out.

That is very interesting, i didnt notice the beam saber markings either when i was watching the very episode last night, but now that i think of it there weren't any marks.

Actually, you're wrong about Number 2. We DO know how hard he hit the Heavyarms. Now, to make my stand as a Mod and prove my worth through Gundam Knowledge.

When Attacking enemy suits, they are completely sliced in half with one stroke which DOESN'T move their frames, only splits them. We have seen a Gundam's arm or other parts dissabled in the same fashion. The Tallgeese is Superiorly STRONGER then the Heavyarms, and it's attacks with the beam saber caused the Heavyarms to be thrashed around like a rag-doll. He was attacking with Incredible force, so once more, we do know that the attacks were very powerful to beat a Gundam the size of the Heavyarms around.

(stats retrieved from GundamOfficial.com)

HEAVYARMS:

Specifications:

Classification: mobile suit
Model number: XXXG-01H
Head height: 16.7 meters
Dry weight: 7.7 tons
Armor materials: Gundanium alloy
Armament: vulcan x 2
machine cannon x 2
beam gatling x 1
homing missile x 6
gatling x 2
micro missile x 24
army knife x 1


Ability Levels:

Fighting ability: level 110
Weapons ability: level 160
Speed ability: level 110
Power ability: level 140
Armored ability: level 140


(Oz's mass-produced mobile suit Leo is rated at 100 in each category)


TALLGEESE

Specifications:

Classification: mobile suit
Model number: OZ-00MS
Head height: 17.4 meters
Dry weight: 8.8 tons
Armor materials: titanium alloy
Armament: dobergun x 1
beam saber x 2


Ability Levels:

Fighting ability: level 100
Weapons ability: level 110
Speed ability: level 150
Power ability: level 130
Armored ability: level 120


(Oz's mass-produced mobile suit Leo is rated at 100 in each category)



Tallgeese is taller and heavier than Heavyarms. Heavyarms is made from gundanium (stronger alloy). Tallgeese is made from titanium (weaker alloy). They're stronger in some abilities, weaker in others... each one is clearly built for a different style of battle. Heavyarms has WAY more weaponry, but Tallgeese has a long beam saber for when it runs out of ammo... Heavyarms only has a little metal knife hidden away in its forearm.

It really depends on the pilot and the landscape they're fighting in. If Tallgeese can get in close, it will have an advantage. If Heavyarms can get itself to a distance and just blast the hell out of Tallgeese, it will have an advantage. Like all the specialized MS in the series, they have certain things they excel at and certain things they don't. Matching these suits up like this showcases the pilot's ability to gain an advantage quickly and not lose that advantage based on the suit's strengths and weaknesses and their own fighting style.

As for battle damage, TV shows are generally lower budget than movies. If you look at Endless Waltz, the level of detail and animation are far superior to that in the show. The animators and artists probably just got lazy and didn't draw it in because it might not have been severe enough. Besides, as it was said, Zechs was trying to make a point to Relena, so he might not have been looking to destroy Heero right off the bat, but rather beat the daylights out of him to upset Relena before destroying him. However, his delay in immediately going full out caused him to miss the opportunity when Acht and his buddies showed up.

You know instead of being snippy with SailorGundam06 you could maybe take a look at the valid points she does make for the post.

And this is why I hate Vs threads.

1 : The vaild points are out of context. A Copy and Paste of basic mech statistics is something that is not needed. Snippy, perhaps, but vaild.. Indeed. Being just to point out that posts are off topic is something that I am granted by being a member of this guild and beyond that, a knowledgeable specific among mechs with Gundam and many other series' beyond. Sticking to tghe topic of this post would be appreciated beyond that of arguing or posting needless information. She has already addressed me on the matter, and it's her place to do so, not yours. When I assault you, then that is YOUR place, not someone elses'.

2 : In a way, this IS a Vs. thread... then again it's NOT. If you'll read the initial post, then you'll find that this is a post to point out an error in the series by the animators/story board. If you do, indeed, hate such threads, don't open them to read the contents.

Note : Subject = Error in Series, NOT battle stats for each Mech.

XiKeiyaZI, I would appreciate if you would stop being so condescending towards us. We took our initial post the way we wanted to. If you hadn't wanted people making comments, then maybe you shouldn't have made the initial post in the first place.

You are a moderator, please stop picking petty fights, and act like one.

That was directed at him and Luna. I thank you two for taking it to PMs like it should be.

Anyways on topic, do you agree with what I said. Lazy animators or something. There's no way an air ship was less than fifty feet long.