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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:11 am
It's something that I feel should not be done no matter how much the animal tairs up the place, the cat wouldn't do it if they had the right type of scratching pole for it... see my sister declawed her cat .. and the only thing I see good about it is that now when I'm playing with her she doesn't scratch me as much.. I mean she still has her back claws, but if she ever got outside she'd get killed, she has no first line of defense
in a way you could say it is slightly similar to getting your pet "fixed" .. but it's more specific to what it's taking away from the animal
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:08 pm
Dark Sword Mistress It's something that I feel should not be done no matter how much the animal tairs up the place, the cat wouldn't do it if they had the right type of scratching pole for it... see my sister declawed her cat .. and the only thing I see good about it is that now when I'm playing with her she doesn't scratch me as much.. I mean she still has her back claws, but if she ever got outside she'd get killed, she has no first line of defense
in a way you could say it is slightly similar to getting your pet "fixed" .. but it's more specific to what it's taking away from the animal When you get your animal "fixed" your preventing the population growth of homeless animals.
Where I live, surrounded by forest, my cat's need their claws for defense against wild animals.
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:41 pm
I live in a small town, and my sister's cat is an indoors cat.. it doesn't go outside.. but if it ever did it would be so screwed because she has no claws, and getting them "fixed" takes away some of thier natural instincts ...
so really what good is there for declawing a cat?
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:48 pm
No benefit to the cat, plenty of benefits for lazy folks who don't think that cats can or should be trained. It's illegal to declaw cats here and I'm very glad of it. All cats have their claws and funnily enough, people can deal with that. Personally believe that if people get cats and plan to have their claws taken off then they shouldn't be getting one in the first place.
Spay/Neuter is completely different to declawing. S/N benefits the animal and other animals.
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:02 am
Skeksis No benefit to the cat, plenty of benefits for lazy folks who don't think that cats can or should be trained. It's illegal to declaw cats here and I'm very glad of it. All cats have their claws and funnily enough, people can deal with that. Personally believe that if people get cats and plan to have their claws taken off then they shouldn't be getting one in the first place. Spay/Neuter is completely different to declawing. S/N benefits the animal and other animals. S/N as you call, it can have good points but it can also have bad.. but that's not what this is about here's already a thread for that somewhere on this list O.O lol
I think you're right... there should be a law against it... it's not even human to do something like that to a pet... and yes it does prove the owner to be lazy *thinks of sister* really lazy lmao!! rofl but the owners bad should not be taken out on the pet.. that's be like shooting your dog in the foot whenever it dug a hole in the ground (being used as a comparison, but if you can use it with this topic than go right ahead.. it is kinda similar after all lol) ... just not right
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:42 am
I'm not sure if you know this, but declawing removes the first part of the digit. Look at your finger. See how it's joined in three parts? Imagine if your finger was sliced off at the first line. Then imagine what life would be like if you didn't have that part of your finger. You wouldn't grip as well, type as well, eat as well, or be as happy. Think about how acrobatic cats are. They can't grip, climb, hunt, or run as well. How nice is that?
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:26 am
People who declaw their pets don't deserve to have animals in the house.
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:58 pm
I hate people who get there cat declawed! It's so cruel! They say oh it's ok it doesnt hurt them at all There pulling out the nail!
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:55 pm
Aufstandkind I'm not sure if you know this, but declawing removes the first part of the digit. Look at your finger. See how it's joined in three parts? Imagine if your finger was sliced off at the first line. Then imagine what life would be like if you didn't have that part of your finger. You wouldn't grip as well, type as well, eat as well, or be as happy. Think about how acrobatic cats are. They can't grip, climb, hunt, or run as well. How nice is that? This says it all. To the above poster, it's not puling out the nail. It's amputating part of their toe.
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:02 pm
I'm going to play, as my old teacher used to say, the "Devil's advocate" in this case.
First of all, I'm not fond of declawing in general. If it doesn't have to be done, don't do it.
But, has anyone on this thread considered situations where it was necessary? When my cat was brought in from being an outdoor cat (and don't give me anything about, "Aw, you've restricted a cat that should run free to a little house!" - He has always wanted inside and does not want back out), we had him declawed. We were at the time living in an apartment. Damage to the property by him would have meant two possible things:
1. We have to pay for the replacement of all of it immediately, since it isn't our property. My parents were divorcing and we were going through lawyer expenses and such at the time, which meant we couldn't risk that.
2. We could get kicked out of the apartment if he caused too much trouble (they have a right to do that), and have nowhere at all the live.
Also, we had a parakeet (and still do). My cat had initially shown a bit of...let's say... interest in her, and she had almost lost her life as it was a couple years before from an eager dog bite to the foot. The claws of a cat that had already killed many birds, chipmunks, rabbits, and who knows what else would not be any better.
Our cat was declawed with laser surgery as well. Laser surgery is cleaner, quicker, and decreases both blood loss and pain to the animal. Without the declawing, there literally would have been nowhere for the cat to go: we had moved into the apartment from another house, and he would have either been lost or killed by traffic/people outside in an unfamiliar territory.
Now, our second cat, Jack, is not declawed. He has wrecked up one of our loveseats, but we can't afford to replace it at the moment (we're still paying off the mattress we had to replace due to his piddle xd ). Declawing for him was actually something we did not want at first for him at all, seeing as my cat had been established for years in this house, and we knew that it was best for Jack to have a little better defense if he was to get a bit of respect. As Jack is young, he is still able to learn the limits of when to and to not use his claws.
As for the scratching post thing, a family like us can hardly afford to place those things on every corner where the cats decide to scratch. We're still saving up money to get them the rest of their booster shots at the moment, let alone a dozen plastic and carpet poles around the living room.
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:25 pm
yeah... but can you say it is really necessary? I mean if you have a good scratching post and teach your cat to only scratch that it shouldn't be a problem. But cats can still scratch with their hind feet, but you're not going to see them scratching up a wall with just their hind legs. But cats also have teach and can chew phone cords... so what's next? are people going to start pulling cats' teeth just because they're too lazy to teach their cat not to do things
cats may be small, but they're friggen tough (excuse the language) but just because a cat is inside doesn't mean you can be lazy and do whatever you want, cats can be tought just like a dog, so why not spend equal time with a cat as you would with a dog?
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:22 pm
Lady Nekochan I'm going to play, as my old teacher used to say, the "Devil's advocate" in this case.
First of all, I'm not fond of declawing in general. If it doesn't have to be done, don't do it.
But, has anyone on this thread considered situations where it was necessary? When my cat was brought in from being an outdoor cat (and don't give me anything about, "Aw, you've restricted a cat that should run free to a little house!" - He has always wanted inside and does not want back out), we had him declawed. We were at the time living in an apartment. Damage to the property by him would have meant two possible things:
1. We have to pay for the replacement of all of it immediately, since it isn't our property. My parents were divorcing and we were going through lawyer expenses and such at the time, which meant we couldn't risk that.
2. We could get kicked out of the apartment if he caused too much trouble (they have a right to do that), and have nowhere at all the live.
Also, we had a parakeet (and still do). My cat had initially shown a bit of...let's say... interest in her, and she had almost lost her life as it was a couple years before from an eager dog bite to the foot. The claws of a cat that had already killed many birds, chipmunks, rabbits, and who knows what else would not be any better.
Our cat was declawed with laser surgery as well. Laser surgery is cleaner, quicker, and decreases both blood loss and pain to the animal. Without the declawing, there literally would have been nowhere for the cat to go: we had moved into the apartment from another house, and he would have either been lost or killed by traffic/people outside in an unfamiliar territory.
Now, our second cat, Jack, is not declawed. He has wrecked up one of our loveseats, but we can't afford to replace it at the moment (we're still paying off the mattress we had to replace due to his piddle xd ). Declawing for him was actually something we did not want at first for him at all, seeing as my cat had been established for years in this house, and we knew that it was best for Jack to have a little better defense if he was to get a bit of respect. As Jack is young, he is still able to learn the limits of when to and to not use his claws.
As for the scratching post thing, a family like us can hardly afford to place those things on every corner where the cats decide to scratch. We're still saving up money to get them the rest of their booster shots at the moment, let alone a dozen plastic and carpet poles around the living room. This is where I would advocate training the cat, instead of just having a part of it chopped off. No better than debarking a dog because it makes noise, in my opinion. Training cats to leave household items alone is not difficult. We have two trained cats. Every person I know who has cats and gives a stuff about their furnature has trained there's. Training cats, even older cats, is not as difficult as people like to make out. Declawing is not legal in my country and people cope just fine- why would it be different elsewhere? What is so different that makes it necessary to make surgical alterations to an animal that have no medical benefit? Sorry, doesn't wash with me. In regards to the bird, it is the teeth that are the big killer of prey. Claws are just a holding device. Declawed cats can and will kill, especially when they are given access to prey species. I'm afraid that outside of medical necessity [and not owner conveniancy] I think it is completely barbaric.
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:16 pm
Yes! Skeksis very good points I see, but think, there are always 2 sides to every issue right? so there has to be SOMETHING that is benificial to it, there usually is positives and negatives.
But one thing I've noticed since my sister's cat got declawed, she's a little bit more violent, I mean she always loved to play, but it's almost... I don't know, like it ticked off the cat or something, I mean you wouldn't like losing something that was so important to you no matter what type of environment you're living in...
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:22 pm
The only question I would like to ask is when you suggest that I would have trained the cat? In the time my parents announced the divorce, we spent our little time left in the house packing and finding a new place to live. My cat was outside at the time. We could not bring him in until we moved, which was the only time we would have had to "train" him. My bird had been in the house for years, and there was little, if any, way to separate them in the household while the cat was taught things.
As for the attacking with the teeth, my cat had made a bad habit outside of batting and clawing animals to death. I'd seen it with numerous chipmunks, sadly. The moment they'd stand and walk away, he'd jump on them again. The most he grabbed it with his teeth was when I tried to stop him, when he picked it up to drag it out of my reach. Our cats' first instincts have always been to bat at things with their paws, not grab them with their teeth.
As for violence, I certainly can't say that it made my cat moer violent. If anything, our other, not-declawed cat is more aggressive. If anything, my cat is the less aggressive and more level-headed of the two, and he adjusted to house life much more quickly than our other cat. That, however, probably has more to do with personality.
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:24 pm
Lady Nekochan The only question I would like to ask is when you suggest that I would have trained the cat? In the time my parents announced the divorce, we spent our little time left in the house packing and finding a new place to live. My cat was outside at the time. We could not bring him in until we moved, which was the only time we would have had to "train" him. My bird had been in the house for years, and there was little, if any, way to separate them in the household while the cat was taught things.
As for the attacking with the teeth, my cat had made a bad habit outside of batting and clawing animals to death. I'd seen it with numerous chipmunks, sadly. The moment they'd stand and walk away, he'd jump on them again. The most he grabbed it with his teeth was when I tried to stop him, when he picked it up to drag it out of my reach. Our cats' first instincts have always been to bat at things with their paws, not grab them with their teeth.
As for violence, I certainly can't say that it made my cat moer violent. If anything, our other, not-declawed cat is more aggressive. If anything, my cat is the less aggressive and more level-headed of the two, and he adjusted to house life much more quickly than our other cat. That, however, probably has more to do with personality. I highly doubt that it would have been impossible to have kept the two seperated until they were used to each other. Not exceptionally easy perhaps, but then people are capable of coping and dealing with situations a lot more difficult than keeping a cat and bird seperated. Sure, declawing is easier but I think it's a cop out and a completely rotten choice to make. Like pulling a ferret's teeth for biting.
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