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 Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 8:36 am
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:07 am
I attempt to put some sort of message into my poetry which is not seen at first glance, but the trouble with me is that I often make it too obvious. It's difficult to know where to stop to make the poem myseterious but understandable. Often, I only discover the meaning after I've written the poem, which is quite annoying because it's not what I wanted it to be, but it still works.
Might I make a guess as to your meaning in the above poem?
Is it about the fact that people do not believe something exists when they cannot see it, and how they are so often blind to the beauties of the world simply because they do not strive to reach them?
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:11 pm
Alas; a noble attempt, but sadly, the same conclusion as many a person doth find themselves with.
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:33 am
I got more the impression that it's better to live in reality, rather than in dreams. Unless you're doing some really obscure symbolism thing.
Sometimes my poems are cryptic and obscure without my meaning them to. And in a few poems I use pure imagery to create what I'm talking about without actually saying it outright - although those are more subject-related things than trying to get a message through.
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:00 am
- anwer now in white text at end of poem -
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:17 am
Well I'm not good with poetry at all... so I won't even try...
But I'm supposing you mean like with Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde... how the story is really great, but it also shows a hidden theme that you can never hide (pun on the name HYDE) from your inner evil or your dark side.
I'm kind of doing that with Bruises, too... but you know it's kind of difficult to do.
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:45 am
A 'Hidden Meaning'?
I do not think that this term is suitable for what you are trying to describe.
A meaning is not really 'hidden' as you so called it when it is being portrayed by the author or poet.
I am not trying to offend, but when writing poetry it is your (the poet's) responsibility to write it in a fashion so that the reader may understand this 'meaning between the lines'.
Though not all readers may understand what message you are conveying, I believe that most should locate your meaning.
'Meaning' is created by a link between the author and reader.
If they cannot, then it really is 'hidden' and without a 'meaning,' hence there would be no point in putting that idea into the poem in the first place.
Sometimes i do this too, I have been experimenting with it quite a bit now.
I guess, things such as words that give a certain feeling and a colloquial meaning would help in giving clues. Also, some random lines which fit, yet do not fully fit into the poem, this would (hopefully) tempt the reader into further delving into that line, trying to discern the purpose of that line.
Though this poem isn't very good, i put a 'between the lines' meaning into it. wink
Forget me not
[The rain comes]
Thundering along: the great masses of cloud,
Heavy; suspended droplets of moisture.
Carried here by the whisper of the wind,
It's voice harmoniously hypnotizing.
Unleashing all there is, the clouds let fall
their burden onto this world.
A wash of places, times, faces; memories...
Drowning in the river.
A phoenix soars from the ruins,
Through the mesh of reminiscing tears.
A flap of mighty eternal wings,
travelling through oblivion.
Silence, all that is seen,
Silence, all that is said,
Silence, all that exists.
First, the title 'Forget me not,' gives the greatest clue! Though you do not always have to do this.
Then i added a few provocative lines/words such as:
"A wash of places, times, faces; memories..."
and
"reminiscing tears."
I used many metaphors to communicate my idea, such as the clouds and the phoenix.
Now all you have to do, is piece together the puzzels! whee
[Copied 'and_solo_said]
blaugh The idea inscribed between the lines is in white below!
The loss of memories.
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:49 am
The meaning was hidden, but the message was what the poem was meant to express. The message was that nothing is what it seems, but the poem meant that drugs ruin everything.
And I was way off with your poem redface
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:54 am
and_solo_said The meaning was hidden, but the message was what the poem was meant to express. The message was that nothing is what it seems, but the poem meant that drugs ruin everything.
And I was way off with your poem redface But the point is that there is NO meaning if it is hidden.
Where is the understanding between reader and writer if no one understands it?
Dictionary Definition::
(Wordnet)
"not accessible to view."
gonk
Is my poem that ambiguous?
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:59 am
Miyaz and_solo_said The meaning was hidden, but the message was what the poem was meant to express. The message was that nothing is what it seems, but the poem meant that drugs ruin everything.
And I was way off with your poem redface But the point is that there is NO meaning if it is hidden.
Where is the understanding between reader and writer if no one understands it?
Dictionary Definition::
(Wordnet)
"not accessible to view."
gonk
Is my poem that ambiguous?
The meaning is there, but you will have to find it, thereby, it is hidden.
And I have no idea, I am just bad at deducing things
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:03 am
and_solo_said Miyaz and_solo_said The meaning was hidden, but the message was what the poem was meant to express. The message was that nothing is what it seems, but the poem meant that drugs ruin everything.
And I was way off with your poem redface But the point is that there is NO meaning if it is hidden.
Where is the understanding between reader and writer if no one understands it?
Dictionary Definition::
(Wordnet)
"not accessible to view."
gonk
Is my poem that ambiguous?
And I have no idea, I am just bad at deducing things Ok.
1. Meaning is created from a bond or understanding between the Reader and Writer
2. Something 'Hidden' is when it is 'not accessible to view'
3. If you say that there is a 'Hidden Meaning' then you mean 'an unaccessible understanding between the reader and writer.'
4. This means that there is no meaning as there is no understanding.
Thus a 'hidden meaning' is impossible to achieve as it would mean nothing.
It's just the wording that doesn't make sense.
I think you should call it something like "Between the lines idea" or something that can be clarified better.
3nodding
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:05 am
Miyaz and_solo_said Miyaz and_solo_said The meaning was hidden, but the message was what the poem was meant to express. The message was that nothing is what it seems, but the poem meant that drugs ruin everything.
And I was way off with your poem redface But the point is that there is NO meaning if it is hidden.
Where is the understanding between reader and writer if no one understands it?
Dictionary Definition::
(Wordnet)
"not accessible to view."
gonk
Is my poem that ambiguous?
And I have no idea, I am just bad at deducing things Ok.
1. Meaning is created from a bond or understanding between the Reader and Writer
2. Something 'Hidden' is when it is 'not accessible to view'
3. If you say that there is a 'Hidden Meaning' then you mean 'an unaccessible understanding between the reader and writer.'
4. This means that there is no meaning as there is no understanding.
Thus a 'hidden meaning' is impossible to achieve as it would mean nothing.
It's just the wording that doesn't make sense.
I think you should call it something like "Between the lines idea" or something that can be clarified better.
3nodding
Ah, but something that is hidden can be found, and the meaning could be just for those I choose to share it with. It is relative to each individual, it doesn't have to be universal
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:15 am
and_solo_said Miyaz and_solo_said Miyaz and_solo_said The meaning was hidden, but the message was what the poem was meant to express. The message was that nothing is what it seems, but the poem meant that drugs ruin everything.
And I was way off with your poem redface But the point is that there is NO meaning if it is hidden.
Where is the understanding between reader and writer if no one understands it?
Dictionary Definition::
(Wordnet)
"not accessible to view."
gonk
Is my poem that ambiguous?
And I have no idea, I am just bad at deducing things Ok.
1. Meaning is created from a bond or understanding between the Reader and Writer
2. Something 'Hidden' is when it is 'not accessible to view'
3. If you say that there is a 'Hidden Meaning' then you mean 'an unaccessible understanding between the reader and writer.'
4. This means that there is no meaning as there is no understanding.
Thus a 'hidden meaning' is impossible to achieve as it would mean nothing.
It's just the wording that doesn't make sense.
I think you should call it something like "Between the lines idea" or something that can be clarified better.
3nodding Something is hidden, not to be found, but to 'not be discovered' otherwise why would you hide it?
If you do not wish someone to find it then yes, it would be hidden, but it would not mean anything.
Meaning does reflect the context of the reader and writer but i guess when inserting your idea into a poem, you are wanting people to read and hence understand what you are trying to convey.
If no one understands it, then what is the point of creating poetry?
What is the point of writing your ideas?
What is the point of sharing this with others?
Self satisfaction?
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:19 am
Miyaz and_solo_said Miyaz and_solo_said Miyaz and_solo_said The meaning was hidden, but the message was what the poem was meant to express. The message was that nothing is what it seems, but the poem meant that drugs ruin everything.
And I was way off with your poem redface But the point is that there is NO meaning if it is hidden.
Where is the understanding between reader and writer if no one understands it?
Dictionary Definition::
(Wordnet)
"not accessible to view."
gonk
Is my poem that ambiguous?
And I have no idea, I am just bad at deducing things Ok.
1. Meaning is created from a bond or understanding between the Reader and Writer
2. Something 'Hidden' is when it is 'not accessible to view'
3. If you say that there is a 'Hidden Meaning' then you mean 'an unaccessible understanding between the reader and writer.'
4. This means that there is no meaning as there is no understanding.
Thus a 'hidden meaning' is impossible to achieve as it would mean nothing.
It's just the wording that doesn't make sense.
I think you should call it something like "Between the lines idea" or something that can be clarified better.
3nodding Something is hidden, not to be found, but to 'not be discovered' otherwise why would you hide it?
If you do not wish someone to find it then yes, it would be hidden, but it would not mean anything.
Meaning does reflect the context of the reader and writer but i guess when inserting your idea into a poem, you are wanting people to read and hence understand what you are trying to convey.
If no one understands it, then what is the point of creating poetry?
What is the point of writing your ideas?
What is the point of sharing this with others?
Self satisfaction?
I do not write poetry so that others can understand why I created it, I write it to express what I feel, in the same way that others would write a diary with a lock on it. This is not true of every piece I have written, but this one was certainly a cathartic pursuit.
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:22 am
and_solo_said Miyaz and_solo_said Miyaz and_solo_said The meaning is there, but you will have to find it, thereby, it is hidden.
And I have no idea, I am just bad at deducing things Ok.
1. Meaning is created from a bond or understanding between the Reader and Writer
2. Something 'Hidden' is when it is 'not accessible to view'
3. If you say that there is a 'Hidden Meaning' then you mean 'an unaccessible understanding between the reader and writer.'
4. This means that there is no meaning as there is no understanding.
Thus a 'hidden meaning' is impossible to achieve as it would mean nothing.
It's just the wording that doesn't make sense.
I think you should call it something like "Between the lines idea" or something that can be clarified better.
3nodding Something is hidden, not to be found, but to 'not be discovered' otherwise why would you hide it?
If you do not wish someone to find it then yes, it would be hidden, but it would not mean anything.
Meaning does reflect the context of the reader and writer but i guess when inserting your idea into a poem, you are wanting people to read and hence understand what you are trying to convey.
If no one understands it, then what is the point of creating poetry?
What is the point of writing your ideas?
What is the point of sharing this with others?
Self satisfaction? Then why do you share it?
Why would you share something so ambiguous as so nobody would understand it?
A diary is not meant to be read aloud, nor is a poem which the author does not care to clarify.
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