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Shiloh1991

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:53 pm


Are you vegetarian vegan, eat meat? Discuss.


~The Video~

My Intention is simply to let the truth get out about inhumane treatment of animals... I am not completely sure people know this is happening. I know I didn't neutral
I have nothing against meat eaters and I am not a member of PETA.

This is done by PETA, so yes it is bias. But they can't make alot of this up. I know if I would have known sooner I would not have been supporting the larger inhumane industries.

Here are very graphic images of how they treat the animals, before slaughter
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http://www.meat.org/

Now that I know about what's going on, I only support my local farmers. I can see how they keep the animals in a humane way. It makes me feel alot better to be eating the product (milk,eggs) 3nodding

Points were made and yes not all the larger industries do this, but you never know and I choose not to take that risk. Everyone should support humane practices and be able to trust their sources.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:07 pm


Factory farming=/= the entire meat industry.

And it is just like Peta to find the worst examples possible and pass them off as standard practise. Typical Peta tactic. rolleyes
I will not be going vegan or vegetarian.

Evedi Etros


Ailinea

PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:41 pm


I've seen countless videos on brutal methods in factory farming and the inhumane treatment given to the animals within the factories. While they once persuaded me to not eat meat, I have realized now that, as Skeksis said, that not all meat comes from these types of factories. It is also an inevitable occurance; as long as there are humans on this earth, there will always be factory farming. I faced reality once and I dearly wish other people would. I'm not condoning or even approve of what goes on in these factories or meat processing plants, but some people just expect this big miracle to happen and want factory farming and perhaps even meat to die out. It will never happen, at least not in our lifetime. If and when there comes a time for this miracle occurance to come about, I will welcome it with open arms. Until then, I'm going to do what humans naturally do, and that is consume meat. We are ominvores by nature's design, and I don't see the world becoming vegan any time soon or ever. It's a nice fantasy, but it's time reality hit some people in the face.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:23 am


I guess my topic inspired you mrgreen
But that's not what I was suggesting... I was suggesting they clean up the butchering and make it humane. (I'm not talking about the Kosher way of butchering.)

~Spirit of Dragons~


Shiloh1991

PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:16 pm


I'm so lucky to live where I do. Many people have organic farms.. Most are your neighbors so you can go over and see their humane treatment for the animals...I support my local farmers and I buy their eggs milk.. I still don't meat. I'm not trying to save the world or anything.. I just feel moraly wrong to eat an animal. I mean it is murder, in a sense thattheyu have no choice... But I do respect alot of the farmers here who take good care for all their animals 3nodding
PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:41 pm


Ailinea
I've seen countless videos on brutal methods in factory farming and the inhumane treatment given to the animals within the factories. While they once persuaded me to not eat meat, I have realized now that, as Skeksis said, that not all meat comes from these types of factories. It is also an inevitable occurance; as long as there are humans on this earth, there will always be factory farming. I faced reality once and I dearly wish other people would. I'm not condoning or even approve of what goes on in these factories or meat processing plants, but some people just expect this big miracle to happen and want factory farming and perhaps even meat to die out. It will never happen, at least not in our lifetime. If and when there comes a time for this miracle occurance to come about, I will welcome it with open arms. Until then, I'm going to do what humans naturally do, and that is consume meat. We are ominvores by nature's design, and I don't see the world becoming vegan any time soon or ever. It's a nice fantasy, but it's time reality hit some people in the face.


I agree that not all of it comes from these meat factories. But you never know when you buy from the larger industries. So I choose to buy from farmers that I personally know. (eggs and milk) I still don't feel right eating meat. I see it as murder. I know humans are ominvores by nature, but we can survive without eating meat. I'm doing just fine 3nodding . Also I have never had a thing against meat eaters. One of my best friends eat meat and the other 2 don't. I just thought some people may not have been aware of what's going on. So I have the footage in a link so people can choose to go or not.

Shiloh1991


Hiro_wolf

Dapper Dabbler

PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:35 am


Videos like that are depressing, I know there are other organic farms out there, but I still can not bring my-self to eat red meat and pigs. As others have said this calls for a miracle. I am sure that someday someone will stand up in a sensible way and make that difference. Unless the entire population becomes vegitarian or vegan there is always going to be inhumane farming, I doubt thats going to happen.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:46 am


Hiro_wolf
Videos like that are depressing, I know there are other organic farms out there, but I still can not bring my-self to eat red meat and pigs. As others have said this calls for a miracle. I am sure that someday someone will stand up in a sensible way and make that difference. Unless the entire population becomes vegitarian or vegan there is always going to be inhumane farming, I doubt thats going to happen.


I agree it’s not like we can change the world. I just feel people have a right to know what they might be eating when they purchase from those industries. Even the milk and eggs. I know I feel horrible to eat something a cow or chicken had to suffer for. I have many farmers around me that I can get my eggs and milk from xd (that don’t abuse their animals) . I don't eat meat, I just feel horrible eating my friends. But I do respect the farms that are humanely keeping the animals before the slaughter.

Shiloh1991


Shiloh1991

PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:54 am


Skeksis
Factory farming=/= the entire meat industry.

And it is just like Peta to find the worst examples possible and pass them off as standard practise. Typical Peta tactic. rolleyes
I will not be going vegan or vegetarian.


That's fine, my best friend eats meat also 3nodding . I just thought, in case people hadn't already known, they should see what is going on. Yes PETA is a very bias group, but they can't make that stuff up, a lot of it anyways. I never watched the end where it was like "be a vegetarian or your evil or what ever" My friend told me about that.. After the cows I couldn't watch any more of it. Apparently what they did to the pigs was the worst (in Elfie's opinion (my friend)). I don't want to know what they did. I just gathered from the amount I saw, what industries are doing. I would feel bad supporting this. But I agree with humane meat farmers, who don't unnecessarily torture the animals before the slaughter.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:27 pm


I honestly would like to become a vegetarian for various reasons, but so far I've only been able to wean myself off of any ham/pork/bacon, "pig products." I'm a big meat eater, and even though it makes me feel bad knowing that the food on my plate was once alive, I don't eat the right veggies/fruits, "other foods" to balance my nutritional needs out. emo

swedish_soup


[ theoretic martyr ]

PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:09 am


Even if something is killed "humanely", I still don't believe it's right.
Killing something isn't humane, no matter how it's done.
[ I'm vegetarian if you couldn't tell ]
PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:19 pm


[ theoretic martyr ]
Even if something is killed "humanely", I still don't believe it's right.
Killing something isn't humane, no matter how it's done.
[ I'm vegetarian if you couldn't tell ]


How do you figure that? There's plenty of ways to kill things that ensure that they don't suffer.

Evedi Etros


Dread Dionaea

PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:46 am


I eat meat and I always will. You don't have to be, but the thing about modern society is the fixation on skinniness. I'm not saying that being fat is healthy, far from it, but being skinny isn't either. The percieved "health" in vegetarianism/veganism comes from the emaciation of poor nutrition. The ideal body is lean, muscular, and capable of running long distances without tiring. Meat is often an absolute nessecity when you're trying for the best figure. I guess it's possible to carefully replace your vitamins with vegetable ones, but it's difficult.

Consider vitamin B-12. It's a needed vitamin that only comes from meat. Supplements you say? Guess where the supplements get B-12 from. Yep, you guessed it, meat.

I love animals, but meat is something I won't give up. I've been vegetarian and sickly, and I love being athletic and healthy.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:02 pm


Skeksis
[ theoretic martyr ]
Even if something is killed "humanely", I still don't believe it's right.
Killing something isn't humane, no matter how it's done.
[ I'm vegetarian if you couldn't tell ]


How do you figure that? There's plenty of ways to kill things that ensure that they don't suffer.


Because if a person killed another person in any manner to eat them it would be considered barbaric.
I don't think it's right to kill a living thing - no matter how it's done.

[ theoretic martyr ]


Evedi Etros

PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:11 pm


[ theoretic martyr ]
Skeksis
[ theoretic martyr ]
Even if something is killed "humanely", I still don't believe it's right.
Killing something isn't humane, no matter how it's done.
[ I'm vegetarian if you couldn't tell ]


How do you figure that? There's plenty of ways to kill things that ensure that they don't suffer.


Because if a person killed another person in any manner to eat them it would be considered barbaric.
I don't think it's right to kill a living thing - no matter how it's done.

Only in our society. It's not unheard of in others.

If you are to attribute human concepts to animals in that manner then every single predator must also be considered barbaric.
Sorry, doesn't wash with me.

Regardless of your diet, animals are going to die for it. Life can't exist without killing other lives.
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