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What kind of twisted logic is that. If that were true then why don't we just let all murders free, i mean the fault must be on the victim for not being able to defend themselves from the murderer.

What if there is a group of people backing up the rapist, what then?

Could have, should have, and should NOT have thoughts are part of my daily life. Every time I see someone who looks like him or talks like him, I remember it. Every time I see an arguement like that, I remember it. And let's face it: despite everybody telling you it's NEVER your fault outwardly, so many women are conditioned to think it is their fault. It's not "blame the victim" as much as it is, "She should have seen it coming." And you know what? Maybe, just maybe we should have. Does that make it our fault? Probably not, but a lot of days it sure as hell feels like it.

I don't think it reflects on all lifers; at least, I hope it doesn't. It's not something I've ever seen pop up in the abortion debate, though, just in debates on legal consent and what defines rape, and I tend to avoid those. *Shrug* If a lifer ever DOES use that, expect me to disappear for a time.

I hate hearing bullshit like that. I was sexually assaulted when I was 14. The case was not filed as a completed rape, and I partially chalk that up to me getting so pissed off that my ex boyfriend is missing a nut. Not everyone is capable of that sort of reaction. I'm convinced that the only reason I was able to put up such a fight is because he physically attacked me during a heated argument, so I was already worked up.

Most rapes don't happen in such a situation. Many women are drugged or otherwise subdued. How can they not understand this?

You bring up an interesting point about how women sometimes do think it's their fault. The event itself is overly traumatic, I can just see the thought process going through their heads, "If I had just done this..." It's sad, and I think it's even worse about how these pro-lifers and others are making such insensitive comments, lowering the self-esteem even more. This goes far beyond the abortion debate.

Beat me to it, Pandora!

This is far the best analogy I've ever seen on the subject. It's absolutely horrid the way we treat rape victims... It's just like accusing our fictional Mr. Smith of wearing an expensive suit in a shady neighborhood to attract attention or accusing him of being a bit of a "philanthropist" back in the day. It's like... if you blamed a vampire's victim for having donating blood in the past. Ridiculous analogies, I know, but this is a ridiculous situation. Not only do they do harm to women, they make it sound like men are all incapable of controlling themselves and evil, sex-crazed monsters.

And I see this a lot in the most staunch pro-life arguments. Here are my explinations:
1. They're so desperate in their defense that they will sometimes grasp at straws. It's a last "Nuh-uh!" Or "Um, yeah, but--!"
2. They seem to have no understanding or respect of a person's bodily domain. These people advocate allowing a fetus to stay inside a woman's body without her consent for nine months. Is it any suprise that they don't understand or care that someone used her body against her will for a few minutes?
3. They seem to have only a vague understanding of women and female sexuality. Many of them seem to be sexually repressed. They'll advocate abstinence-only "education" and often see sex as disgusting or immoral.

Like what one of the comments said, no matter what the victim was wearing/doing/singing, rape is rape no matter who is raped.

Does this include women who got raped, then beaten to death and dumped in a ditch? Or women who got raped, cut into pieces and fed to crocodiles? neutral

Because they really wanted to get raped and then die at the hands of their rapists. Of course.