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 Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:22 am
Dalai Lama footage irks Chinese tourists in India - Yahoo Article The above link is of a recent article from yahoo. I don't know if anyone else already saw this but i wanted to comment on this article and maybe get some feedbacks from you guys. Apparantly the chinese tourists were interested in buddhism because they knew that the tour included visiting buddhist sites and im pretty sure if not all, most were buddhists themselves because it was a buddhist tour. But what im trying to understand is that, i know china and tibet has their differences but is that difference so important that, its worth turning your eye away from the dalai lama (metaphorically speaking because its actually repectful to not look him in the eye) who is the reincarnation of boddhisatva of compassion. I mean if you were chinese and were all for the cultural revolution and would do anything for the great motherland but also being a buddhist, how would you feel about the dalai lama?? It might seem like im rambling on and on but in my head, my understanding of what happened is very clear and if i could somehow transfer it mind to mind then you would see it too lol.. P.s. This is my first topic in this guild
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:05 am
Unfortunately the Chinese are taught some very messed up things about the Dalai Lama. It's not like they know what kind of person he is, and still stick their noses up at him. The Party constantly drills it into the minds of the Chinese people that His Holiness is a separatist rebel who is trying to break up China, and is doing so under the guise of peaceful religion. So naturally they think of him as exploiting Buddhism to further his political aims.
Thankfully everyone else around the globe knows better. Unfortunately China's policies and attitudes toward His Holiness have lead to incestuous amplification - a phenomenon when policy-makers in a country begin to believe their own propaganda. This is what has made any kind of reconciliation between the Tibetan Government in Exile and the Peoples' Republic nearly impossible.
The Chinese people are decent and hard-working, so it's painful to see their opinions handed to them by their government rather than giving them information freely and permitting them to come to their own conclusions.
May all beings be free from ignorance and the causes of ignorance.
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Akanishi Makoto Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:41 am
Jizo Bosatsu May all beings be free from ignorance and the causes of ignorance.
Conquer the ill-natured man by goodness.
Conquer the miser with generosity.
Conquer the liar with truth. Kanzeon!
Namu Butsu
Yo Butsu U In
Yo Butsu U En
Bu Po Soen
Jo Raku Ga Jo
Cho Nen Kanzeon!
Bo Nen Kanzeon!
Nen Nen Ju Shin Ki
Nen Nen Fu Ri Shin 
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:24 am
I have a question on this too. I recently read an essay called Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet myth by Parenti and he said that HHDL was nothing bu a slave owner...I read a rebuttal on this essay on the SFT website and it said that Parenti was incorrect as he drew some of his sources from other authors who were told things FROM Chinese Propaganda and how they mispelled some Tibetan terms. I went to free Tiber videos on youtube and some people were insulting HHDL saying he is a slave owner.
I just cant stand the sight of people being oppressed..makes me feel like I am them and helpless. Someday would like to go to Free Tibet demonstrations.
Is this all Chinese propaganda saying that HHDL is a slave owner/etc?
Because I have deep respect for Dalai Lama even though I am not a vajrayana follower.
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:06 pm
They said he was a "slave owner" because of the socio-political/economic situation of Old Tibet. Monastics were supported by the lay people, and the Chinese considered them to be "leeches" as a result since they didn't think they worked for their food, water, shelter, clothing, et cetera. (Which we all know is incorrect.)
It makes sense that this false idea of them leeching off the populace would culminate in a misguided judgement that His Holiness was a slave owner - that the Tibetan people were somehow enslaved. Pure silly propaganda. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:36 pm
Thank you for clearing this up.
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:31 am
Hitokiri_Tsering I mean if you were chinese and were all for the cultural revolution and would do anything for the great motherland but also being a buddhist, how would you feel about the dalai lama?? If i was chinese, a great mao following person, doing everything for the great motherland I would definitly be no buddhist at all. As a real communist person i am supposed to follow no belief at all, the only belief I am following then is the system of the communist party. So about the Dalai Lama I would belief everything they are saying not even considering they might tell me lies... What I am trying to say is that really following the communist party and being buddhist does not go together... However everybody (being buddhist or not) can go on tourist visiting tour of buddhist places. I think these tourists were just afraid that their faces might be shown on a video that also shows HHDL, and they were afraid of getting in trouble because of it. So the reason they are giving "he is not our spiritual leader" might not go for all of them... Anyway you guys are free to say I am totally mistaken about this issue...
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:49 pm
Yeah, I was on youtube and lookinf at videous of Free Tibet protests and saw many people influenced by Chinese Propaganda and people posting stuff from Parenti's essay...it's really bothering when these people just go by Chinese propaganda and enjoy watching others suffer..words cannot even explain.
Some insist of violence being used to just for independence..I mean sometimes this does happen but it can be done. I like to think of MLK and Gandhi on these cases/situations.
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:16 pm
I really don't know. I've never been to China, and I don't know much about the country excepy that it's communist. All I know is that I've always followed my own wisdom rather than follow what everyone else follows. I don't know what growing up in China would have done to affect my opinion of him.
Unrelated question: Why is it considered respectful to not look the Dalai Lama in the eye? I would have thought that it's disrespectful. Sorry, I'm pretty new to all this.
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:42 pm
Crazy Bananna I really don't know. I've never been to China, and I don't know much about the country excepy that it's communist. All I know is that I've always followed my own wisdom rather than follow what everyone else follows. I don't know what growing up in China would have done to affect my opinion of him. Unrelated question: Why is it considered respectful to not look the Dalai Lama in the eye? I would have thought that it's disrespectful. Sorry, I'm pretty new to all this. In America its respectful to look in the eyes of the person you're talking to you but in Asia things are a lot different. I think its considered disrespectful because he's of a higher status? Sorry I know what I'm saying probably doesn't make any sense, I just can't seem to word it the right way...in my culture it would be rude to walk fully upright when an older person is sitting down so in order to get pass that person I'd have to crouch down a little while walking past them to show respect...its something sorta like that...hope that helps...if not ask Hitokiri Tsering biggrin
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:49 am
Thanks for all the responds..
@Crazybanana: reason for not looking him in the eye is, well simply because he is not on the same level as us, he is not someone we should treat as equal to us, this does not just apply to him because hes a buddha, this also applies to teachers, seniors, your boss... so like dragonseed said hes on a higher level, and not making eye contact and bowing lower than him is respectfull, i hope this helps.
@dragonseed: Hey, when did you join this guild??
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:45 pm
Hitokiri_Tsering @Crazybanana: reason for not looking him in the eye is, well simply because he is not on the same level as us, he is not someone we should treat as equal to us, this does not just apply to him because hes a buddha, this also applies to teachers, seniors, your boss... so like dragonseed said hes on a higher level, and not making eye contact and bowing lower than him is respectfull, i hope this helps. *twitch* Somehow, that puts me on edge. Probably because I beleive in equality for all beings. Like, a god is equal to a tapeworm. I mean sure, the god is way more powerful and should not be provoked, but still... What are the buddhist views on equality?
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:04 am
Crazy Bananna Hitokiri_Tsering @Crazybanana: reason for not looking him in the eye is, well simply because he is not on the same level as us, he is not someone we should treat as equal to us, this does not just apply to him because hes a buddha, this also applies to teachers, seniors, your boss... so like dragonseed said hes on a higher level, and not making eye contact and bowing lower than him is respectfull, i hope this helps. *twitch* Somehow, that puts me on edge. Probably because I beleive in equality for all beings. Like, a god is equal to a tapeworm. I mean sure, the god is way more powerful and should not be provoked, but still... What are the buddhist views on equality? i should not have used the word equal when i explained it. i think you are confusing equality with respect. Ofcourse we are all equal, period. But its respectful to bow lower to or avoid eye contact with someone who you see as a teacher or elder to you. And as for our view on equality. All sentient beings are equal. We all have same rights, most important being, right to live.
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:46 pm
Hitokiri_Tsering Crazy Bananna Hitokiri_Tsering @Crazybanana: reason for not looking him in the eye is, well simply because he is not on the same level as us, he is not someone we should treat as equal to us, this does not just apply to him because hes a buddha, this also applies to teachers, seniors, your boss... so like dragonseed said hes on a higher level, and not making eye contact and bowing lower than him is respectfull, i hope this helps. *twitch* Somehow, that puts me on edge. Probably because I beleive in equality for all beings. Like, a god is equal to a tapeworm. I mean sure, the god is way more powerful and should not be provoked, but still... What are the buddhist views on equality? i should not have used the word equal when i explained it. i think you are confusing equality with respect. Ofcourse we are all equal, period. But its respectful to bow lower to or avoid eye contact with someone who you see as a teacher or elder to you. And as for our view on equality. All sentient beings are equal. We all have same rights, most important being, right to live. Oh, thanks for clearing that up.
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:57 pm
oboleia Hitokiri_Tsering I mean if you were chinese and were all for the cultural revolution and would do anything for the great motherland but also being a buddhist, how would you feel about the dalai lama?? If i was chinese, a great mao following person, doing everything for the great motherland I would definitly be no buddhist at all. As a real communist person i am supposed to follow no belief at all, the only belief I am following then is the system of the communist party. So about the Dalai Lama I would belief everything they are saying not even considering they might tell me lies... What I am trying to say is that really following the communist party and being buddhist does not go together... However everybody (being buddhist or not) can go on tourist visiting tour of buddhist places. I think these tourists were just afraid that their faces might be shown on a video that also shows HHDL, and they were afraid of getting in trouble because of it. So the reason they are giving "he is not our spiritual leader" might not go for all of them... Anyway you guys are free to say I am totally mistaken about this issue... Actually... His Holiness I was very young when I first heard the word "communist." The 13th Dalai Lama had left a testament that I read. Also, some of the monks who were helping my studies had been in monasteries with Mongolians. They had talked about the destruction that had taken place since the communists came to Mongolia. We did not know anything about Marxist ideology. But we all feared destruction and thought of communists with terror. It was only when I went to China in 1954-55 that I actually studied Marxist ideology and learned the history of the Chinese revolution. Once I understood Marxism, my attitude changed completely. I was so attracted to Marxism, I even expressed my wish to become a Communist Party member. Tibet at that time was very, very backward. The ruling class did not seem to care, and there was much inequality. Marxism talked about an equal and just distribution of wealth. I was very much in favor of this. Then there was the concept of self-creation. Marxism talked about self-reliance, without depending on a creator or a God. That was very attractive. I had tried to do some things for my people, but I did not have enough time. I still think that if a genuine communist movement had come to Tibet, there would have been much benefit to the people. That article is interesting, not only because it's from the Dalai Lama... but it hints that the issue is not as black and white as all that.
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