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WickedElphie Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:47 pm
NBC's "You're the One that I Want" If you have not yet heard about, what is it? It’s an abomination in my eyes, but I digress. It’s a new reality series where they are going to be casting the stars of the next Broadway revival of Grease on Broadway. America gets to pick the winners. Thoughts? Here’s my to cents. I think this is a load of crap! It’s a total joke. I think some people got together and said “What else can we ruin by making it into a reality series? Hey! Let’s ruin theatre!” Not only that, but Grease? COME ON! It’s a crappy overdone show that hasn’t even been gone long enough for it to be revived! I mean, heck I saw the last revival of it and let me say… it sucked. It only closed in 1998. That’s LESS then 10 years! That’s total bullshit! There are plenty of other shows out there that are better and actually deserved to be revived besides Grease. Also, they are making this big deal about “THIS SUMMERS NEW MUSICAL!” But umm, has anyone actually stopped to think ‘Hey, will there be an open theatre this summer?’ There is only I think 2 dark houses now and I’m sorry, but there are workshops that deserve that space MUCH more. Workshops that have been in the works for years and have been waiting for the chance at a house. But now one of them is gonna get screwed over again cus of this Grease thing. I will be watching the show, only for the fact that I am going to vote for people that really do DESERVE it, not the person that America thinks does. Cus the majority of Americans are just frickin’ stupid. EDIT: http://www.playbill.com/news/article/104346.html*twitches* Okay, one time was fine (Sound of Music), two times was annoying (Grease)... and now a third one (Dreamcoat?!) Come on! Thank you Andrew Lloyd Weber for opening the flood gates.
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:40 am
I don't really understand why you're so upset about this. Or why you're going to bother watching the show if you're most likely not going to see the revival. If you're so against the show and its concept, then don't watch the show, don't vote, and don't see the revival either. Otherwise, you are giving the network your vote of approval.
And honestly, I am so sick of people thinking that any concept they think is stupid was made by people getting together and saying "What/How can we ruin such and such?" No, the only reason for network execs to come up with any idea is to try and make money, and they generally do this by looking at what has been popular in the past. So blame "You're the One That I Want" on shows like "American Idol" and "Dancing with the Stars."
Personally, I'm interested in seeing how the show plays out, since I've always wished that American Idol had a more Broadway mentality.
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:13 pm
Yeah, not sure why you're upset. Grease is an American classic which appeals to almost everyone, which is why they picked it.
Actually, they're ripping off ALW since he just did the same thing with The Sound of Music in London.
I actually really want to watch it, mostly because my school just did Grease so I know the whole show backwards and forwards. I'm interested to see how things play out and in the end, the producers usually have the say so someone with talent will probably get the roles.
I think it's actually a good idea, and I really wish I could watch the show, since it's on Sundays and I'm at church then =(
Only thing is, the song You're The One That I Want isn't even in the Broadway musical and I don't think they have the copyright ability to put it in the show... so I'm interested to see how that works out.
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:21 pm
A guy I went to college is going to be on that show. I'm interested just to see how he does plus in college he wasn't a very good actor/singer/dancer or nice person. It is possible he has changed....
I agree with pensivepine that: (((Personally, I'm interested in seeing how the show plays out, since I've always wished that American Idol had a more Broadway mentality.))))
Elphie, I feel the same way with you on this point you made...
(((but Grease? COME ON! It’s a crappy overdone show that hasn’t even been gone long enough for it to be revived! I mean, heck I saw the last revival of it and let me say… it sucked. It only closed in 1998. That’s LESS then 10 years! That’s total bullshit! There are plenty of other shows out there that are better and actually deserved to be revived besides Grease.
Also, they are making this big deal about “THIS SUMMERS NEW MUSICAL!” But umm, has anyone actually stopped to think ‘Hey, will there be an open theatre this summer?’ There is only I think 2 dark houses now and I’m sorry, but there are workshops that deserve that space MUCH more. Workshops that have been in the works for years and have been waiting for the chance at a house. But now one of them is gonna get screwed over again cus of this Grease thing. ))))
Yuck that it's Grease but people love that damn movie and show. It sells out all the time. When I read this part of your post I said amen to that! smile
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:42 pm
I'm really up on the air about this show. I don't really plan to ever see the revival of this show (I've only ever seen the movie anyways), but I think that this will really broaden the appeal of Broadway to a much wider audience, since a vast majority of the population of America (from what I've gathered, but I'm still just speculating here) seem to like American Idol and the movie version of Grease. I might watch an episode or two, but it's up there in my list of enjoyable reality shows (like Project Runway). Now about the American Idol thing. Did anyone ever watch in the 4th season (I think) the episode where they had to pick showtunes to sing? It killed me to hear some of my favorite songs (The Impossible Dream and People) butchered. I don't think that they should repeat that (though Carrie Underwood did a really good job on hers, making me glad that she won).
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:31 pm
We had a loooong talk about this show today in my theatre class... apperently everyone hated it xD
I still wanna watch is, but I'm at church whenever it's on so... oh well.
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:40 pm
I was upset about this, at first, but now I'm a little more accepting of it. They are looking for talented people, and it may give some truly deserving actors a chance to shine that they might otherwise not have had.
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:31 pm
Mister Now about the American Idol thing. Did anyone ever watch in the 4th season (I think) the episode where they had to pick showtunes to sing? It killed me to hear some of my favorite songs (The Impossible Dream and People) butchered. I don't think that they should repeat that (though Carrie Underwood did a really good job on hers, making me glad that she won). I remember that ep ^_^ I didn't like most of the choices, but I was amazed at Bo Bice doing Corner of the Sky from Pippin, because I'd predicted it! (Well, at the start of the show, I said, "It would be cool if Bo did something from Pippin," but still.) That ep also was the start of my switch from supporting Constantine over to Bo. Mainly because Constantine did My Funny Valentine, which is the showtune I hate about all others. But after that, Constantine just went on a downward slide that he couldn't shake off. Plus, Bo won me over with Corner of the Sky, and even made me like Time in a Bottle, another song that I dislike with a passion. Isn't that also the ep where that one kid sang One Hand, One Heart from West Side Story as a duet with himself?
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:22 pm
PensivePine Mister Now about the American Idol thing. Did anyone ever watch in the 4th season (I think) the episode where they had to pick showtunes to sing? It killed me to hear some of my favorite songs (The Impossible Dream and People) butchered. I don't think that they should repeat that (though Carrie Underwood did a really good job on hers, making me glad that she won). I remember that ep ^_^ I didn't like most of the choices, but I was amazed at Bo Bice doing Corner of the Sky from Pippin, because I'd predicted it! (Well, at the start of the show, I said, "It would be cool if Bo did something from Pippin," but still.) That ep also was the start of my switch from supporting Constantine over to Bo. Mainly because Constantine did My Funny Valentine, which is the showtune I hate about all others. But after that, Constantine just went on a downward slide that he couldn't shake off. Plus, Bo won me over with Corner of the Sky, and even made me like Time in a Bottle, another song that I dislike with a passion. Isn't that also the ep where that one kid sang One Hand, One Heart from West Side Story as a duet with himself? One of the backup singers did Maria when they were supposed to sing at the same time, but it was still awful.
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:20 pm
I think it's a horrible idea as well. It would be okay if 'America' wasn't choosing, but even then I think it's a horrible idea. There's a certain way to these things, and that's not it. However, it will get broadway and theatre on the map a little more...kinda like High School Musical did...so that's a plus.
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WickedElphie Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:12 pm
I am seeing the recognition that theatre is gonna get from this to be a negative one.
The majority of people watching this show are not going to come out of it with a good appreciation of GOOD theatre. They are going to like the teenyboppers of theatre. They will not go see shows with real deep meanings or darker shows. No, they will be the ones supporting bubble gum pop shows with the catchy tunes and the non-complex storyline like Grease and High School Musical.
Don't get me wrong, I like the campy, peppy musicals as much as the next person (Wedding Singer is one of my favorite shows) but the difference is I still love real deep shows as well and I can go to a darker show like Sweeny Todd and come out of it with an appreciation for that. Most of the people that develop a "love of theatre" from this I HIGHLY doubt will.
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Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:07 pm
Apparently, the show has already presold about 1.3 million dollars worth of tickets and has found a possible theatre. Crazy.
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Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:48 pm
Mister Apparently, the show has already presold about 1.3 million dollars worth of tickets and has found a possible theatre. Crazy. They're selling tickets before they even have a cast? O.o
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Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:00 pm
You talk a good talk, WickedElphie, but your post is kind of confusing to me. I mean... WickedElphie I am seeing the recognition that theatre is gonna get from this to be a negative one. Negative recognition would be NO recognition. I understand that you mean people will have a bad view of what theater is based on this show, but isn't there a saying, "Any publicity is good publicity?" WickedElphie The majority of people watching this show are not going to come out of it with a good appreciation of GOOD theatre. They are going to be like the teenyboppers of theatre. Good is a very subjective term. Take Cats, for example. That show has lots of fans, but lots of people hate it with a passion. And if "Not Since Carrie: Forty Years of Broadway Flops" has taught us nothing, it's shown that plenty of good shows don't succeed. WickedElphie They will not go see shows with real deep meanings or darker shows. No, they will be the ones supporting bubble gum pop shows with the catchy tunes and the non-complex storyline like Grease and High School Musical. What are 'real deep meanings?' No, really. How deep are most musicals? Does 'dark' equal 'deep?' Off the top of my head, I can only think of a handful of musicals that could be considered 'dark' and 'deep' (Les Mis, for example). That doesn't mean that all musicals are mindless fluff, and meaning can be read into even the most vapid of 'pop' shows. What we all need to keep in mind is that musicals are meant to be entertainment. Entertaining is what runs. WickedElphie Don't get me wrong, I like the campy, peppy musicals as much as the next person (Wedding Singer is one of my favorite shows) but the difference is I still love real deep shows as well and I can go to a darker show like Sweeny Todd and come out of it with an appreciation for that. Most of the people that develop a "love of theatre" from this I HIGHLY doubt will. And I highly doubt that you started off with such an appreciation of 'darker shows' when you first discovered musical theater. (My sister would like to add, "Why is it important that they like dark stuff anyway?" Different strokes for different folks.) We all have different tastes, and it's kind of pointless to look down on someone for liking one musical over another.
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Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:02 pm
I'm kind going off topic here, but I really have to second your last point there, PensivePine. I've been reading a book on the social relevance of musicals through American history for a class, and I really think that, no matter what your personal preference is in musicals, people have to stop looking at light, comedic musicals as somehow automatically infererior to darker, more tragic, or overtly deep musicals. It's not the case. I mean, the American musical's roots are in comedic entertainment, with the second branch of musical plays not taking hold for quite sometime. It's not as if these lighter shows are some new and lesser being coming in to steal the intellect of Broadway away.
Also, I haven't ever seen Grease, but I think there is definately a difference that needs to be established between "fluff" and "popcorn" shows, spectacle shows (like Cats), and shows that may not be dark, but still have an interesting message or interesting concept to get across.
Esentially, no, dark does not equal deep, and neither does it garauntee good, for everyone.
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