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Macaroni Jesus

PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:09 pm


I have been asking myself lately, "Why are the Jews hated so much? Why are we the ones who have to be at the short end of the stick?"

Looking around the internet, I found this, and I found it quite interesting.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Why_Do_People_Hate_The_Jews.htm
]It has been said that the history of almost all of the Jewish holidays can be summed up succinctly: "They wanted to kill us; we won. Let's eat." Why has anti-Semitism been so pervasive in so many countries, in so many time periods and for so many reasons? (One begins to wonder. Perhaps there is something wrong with the Jews and Judaism? After all, there is an old Yiddish saying -- "If one person calls you a donkey, ignore him; if two people call you a donkey, buy a saddle.")
Between the years 250 CE and 1948 CE - a period of 1,700 years - Jews have experienced more than eighty expulsions from various countries in Europe - an average of nearly one expulsion every twenty-one years. Jews were expelled from England, France, Austria, Germany, Lithuania, Spain, Portugal, Bohemia, Moravia and seventy-one other countries.
Historians have classified six explanations as to why people hate the Jews:
  1. Economic -- "We hate Jews because they possess too much wealth and power."
  2. Chosen People -- "We hate Jews because they arrogantly claim that they are the chosen people."
  3. Scapegoat -- "Jews are a convenient group to single out and blame for our troubles."
  4. Deicide -- "We hate Jews because they killed Jesus."
  5. Outsiders -- "We hate Jews because they are different than us." (The dislike of the unlike.)
  6. Racial Theory -- "We hate Jews because they are an inferior race."

As we examine the explanations, we must ask -- Are they the causes for anti-Semitism or excuses for Anti-Semitism? The difference? If one takes away the cause, then anti-Semitism should no longer exist. If one can show a contradiction to the explanation, it demonstrates that the "cause" is not a reason, it is just an excuse. Let's look at some contradictions:
  1. Economic -- The Jews of 17th- 20th century Poland and Russia were dirt poor, had no influence and yet they were hated.
  2. Chosen People -- a) In the late 19th century, the Jews of Germany denied "Choseness." And then they worked on assimilation. Yet, the holocaust started there. b) Christians and Moslems profess to being the "Chosen people," yet, the world and the anti-Semites tolerate them.
  3. Scapegoat -- Any group must already be hated to be an effective scapegoat. The Scapegoat Theory does not then cause anti-Semitism. Rather, anti-Semitism is what makes the Jews a convenient scapegoat target. Hitler's ranting and ravings would not be taken seriously if he said, "It's the bicycle riders and the midgets who are destroying our society."
  4. Deicide -- a) the Christian Bible says the Romans killed Jesus, though Jews are mentioned as accomplices (claims that Jews killed Jesus came several hundred years later). How come the accomplices are persecuted and there isn't an anti-Roman movement through history? b) Jesus himself said, "Forgive them [i.e., the Jews], for they know not what they do." The Second Vatican Council in 1963 officially exonerated the Jews as the killers of Jesus. Neither statement of Christian belief lessened anti-Semitism.
  5. Outsiders -- With the Enlightenment in the late 18th century, many Jews rushed to assimilate. Anti-Semitism should have stopped. Instead, for example, with the Nazis came the cry, in essence: "We hate you, not because you're different, but because you're trying to become like us! We cannot allow you to infect the Aryan race with your inferior genes."
  6. Racial Theory -- The overriding problem with this theory is that it is self-contradictory: Jews are not a race. Anyone can become a Jew - and members of every race, creed and color in the world have done so at one time or another.

Every other hated group is hated for a relatively defined reason. We Jews, however, are hated in paradoxes: Jews are hated for being a lazy and inferior race - but also for dominating the economy and taking over the world. We are hated for stubbornly maintaining our separateness - and, when we do assimilate - for posing a threat to racial purity through intermarriages. We are seen as pacifists and as warmongers; as capitalist exploiters and as revolutionary communists; possessed of a Chosen-People mentality, as well as of an inferiority complex. It seems that we just can't win.


Discuss:

-Anti-Semitism
-Your thoughts on why We are constantly and always complained about
PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:11 pm


Because most of them are christian, and they came from us, which some how causes this.

FOr example what has been believed to be the skelotens of Adam And Eve have been found, and they're skeletons of black people.

Acording to that white people came from black people, and some are racist to them.

Christians came from us jews, and some christians are racist to us.

I'm going out on a limb here, but that's my theory.

[Prometheus]


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:30 pm


Humans are simple beings and fear what they do not understand. Hate will continue through time because people, and their cultures, will always be different. emo

Jews have always been picked on since the dawn of time. Perhaps it's G-d's plan to test our faith? neutral
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:41 pm


We're just like them (whether that's good or bad I don't know) but there's another reason we've been persecuted. People are scared of us. Why? The Roman Empire fell, wars have torn through Europe through centuries, the Muslim Empire has flourished and diminished, the Holocaust, the Inquisition, and more events have happened that we have been caught in the middle of as more horrible things happened to us directly, and yet we will not die. We cannot be killed and that freaks people out.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:09 am


Zapper13
People are scared of us. Why? The Roman Empire fell, wars have torn through Europe through centuries, the Muslim Empire has flourished and diminished, the Holocaust, the Inquisition, and more events have happened that we have been caught in the middle of as more horrible things happened to us directly, and yet we will not die. We cannot be killed and that freaks people out.
this is partly true. though "all things are mortal but the Jew", it's hardly a cause for antisemitism.

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We're just like them (whether that's good or bad I don't know) but there's another reason we've been persecuted.
ooh, i love a nice juicy contradiction.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:12 am


Mizakichii
Humans are simple beings and fear what they do not understand.
orly. says whom?
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Hate will continue through time because people, and their cultures, will always be different. emo
that's strange, i don't hate every other person in existence. confused

ZonkotheSane


ZonkotheSane

PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:14 am


[Prometheus]
Christians came from us jews, and some christians are racist to us.
...

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I'm going out on a limb here, but that's my theory.
yah
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:16 am


...and we just got out of chanukkah neutral

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:15 am


This will probably sound really far out there. It's just occurred to me, and I don't know how it will be received. I don't know if I fully believe it, either, but I'll toss it out there and see what you all think.

Throughout history, people have said "They think they're Chosen, they're so special." Throughout history, Jews have tried to assimilate into larger cultures. In Egypt, the Egyptians kept us as slaves. The tribes of the desert tried to steal from us, kill us, or entice us to follow other deities and other religious traditions. The Persians, Greeks, and Romans each overran the land and people of Yisrael multiple times. We have been scattered to every country on earth, surrounded by the indigenous populations of Africa (Yemenite Jews), Asia (the Jews of India in places like Cochin, and also Siberia), Europe (Germany comes to mind, but so does Spain), the Americas (try to think of New York City without Jews!). Even the name Ivrit, which is Hebrew for 'Hebrew', means "from across the river," derived from the Sumerian word Ibriu, of the same meaning. The oldest name we have for our people essentially means "foreigners, from somewhere else, not like us."

Always, in each of these times, places, and larger cultures in which we found ourselves, we Jews maintained our own language, mode of dress, customs, holy texts, and culture. Even when we tried to assimilate, some part of us just couldn't follow through with the desire to fit in. Those who did fit in successfully are lost to history -- we don't even know who they are, for the most part, because they faded into the surrounding populations.

A few hundred years ago, we tried assimilation again. We were so successful that some people didn't even know they were Jews themselves until the Nazis sent them a notice: "We've discovered a Jew in your ancestry within the past 400 years. Come with us." Now, why do you suppose our assimilation didn't work?

I'll tell you. Because we tried to say "We're just like you. We're Germans/Spanish/African/Indian/American first. We weren't Chosen, all nations were Chosen, it's just that we kept good records. Every nation has their own Torah. We just wrote ours down and didn't forget it." But the surrounding population knew different. We say over and over that we're not Chosen, we're just the same as everyone else. But they know we're different. Our own Bible tells them we're different.

So right away, they know that either we're too stupid to realize our own specialness, or that we're lying to them. And let's face it, we're not stupid. We make up less than 1% of the world's population, but get more than 40% of the world's Nobel Prizes. We are about 2% of the American population, yet American Jews account for nearly 20% of the funds contributed to charities at home and abroad -- ten times what we should be able to do, according to the numbers. Don't mistake me. I'm not saying that we're smarter or more generous than anyone else. What I'm saying is that, according to the numbers, our efforts seem to get further somehow. We stand out from the crowd, no matter how much we try to use camouflage to look like everyone else. No nose job, hair dye, fashion makeover, or conversion will ever erase that fact.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:35 pm


*Claps* I think that was very well said.

At least I didn't take it wrong...but I don't count as a Jew yet so yeah. mrgreen

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:01 pm


Divash

[Insert long speech to avoid quote trees ^^;;]


I agree with King; very eloquently written! 3nodding
PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:15 pm


Divash
No nose job, hair dye, fashion makeover, or conversion will ever erase that fact.
though not for lack of trying stare

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