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 Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:35 pm
Is it just me or do the makers of TV shows have something against showing homosexual affection on TV? I mean, South of Nowhere is about a lesbian couple; the straight couples are constantly making out on the show, and after TWO FULL SEASONS, how many REAL (longer than a little peck) kisses have the two MAIN CHARACTERS shared? ONE. They don't even act like a couple - just best friends. It really pisses me off that even though they're like "[squeak] Look, we made a show about lesbians!" and they have no problem showing girls and guys all over each other, swapping spit and removing their own clothing, they STILL are so very, very tentative about - GASP - actually portraying some affection between two people of the same gender! Grow a backbone, TV producers, grow a backbone.
I don't have access to any OTHER shows concerning homosexuality (The N graciously puts the new episodes of their shows on the internet each week - can't watch ANYTHING gay on TV as long as I live with my mother -___-, which is.. until I graduate high school..), so this is a somewhat biased argument, but seriously. neutral
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:56 pm
Well besides the stigma it could be that the actresses don't like it, or that the company is affraid of losing their funding - or turning their core audience into teenage males.
I've seen lots of homosexual activity on TV that has been mild to moderately graphic, plus most shows like that get marked early so people who would disapprove of things like that wouldn't watch them - so I doubt it'd be that sort of a concern, unless the target audience is younger than 15ish.
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 8:16 am
Yeah, why is it that homoness gets a higher rating too? There's lots of 'R' movies cuz they have gay characters, but very little violence or even naughtiness or anything else that would indicate an 'R' rating, but you kno if the movie wuz about a straight couple it'd just be like PG-13 rolleyes .
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:05 am
Eebie Yeah, why is it that homoness gets a higher rating too? There's lots of 'R' movies cuz they have gay characters, but very little violence or even naughtiness or anything else that would indicate an 'R' rating, but you kno if the movie wuz about a straight couple it'd just be like PG-13 rolleyes . This may be an assumption but they proably "don't want to expose children to that sort of thing" that's a quote from one of the ladys that run a camp i go to anualy. This was about Tarot cards but the same sort of standard. If it's "sin" to the majority religion then little kid's shouldn't know about it, so kid's shouldn't be alowed to eat meat on fridays...but who's consistant now-a-days?
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:16 am
Caution: Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Joss Whedon, Amber Benson, Alyson Hannigan and UPN love ahead:
Networks get twitchy about gay love. While BTVS was on the WB, there were many sexual scenes with heterosexual characters. However, it wasn't until over a year after Willow and Tara were a couple that they got a brief on screen kiss. (They got a lot of on screen cute scenes together as compensation though.) When the show got picked up by UPN there was a lot more kissing and some more sexually hinted to scenes. In the last season, they showed the first lesbian sex scene on network TV.
Also Red could be right, some heterosexual actors or actresses might not be comfortable with the stigma. Once again here comes my love for Alyson and Amber who played Willow and Tara... Alyson speaks very highly of how beautiful Willow and Tara's relationship was. Amber who played Tara has been in several gay friendly movies and she talkes openly about how wonderful a kisser Alyson was even though they are both straight.
Yeah I know I'm a dork but this show has been my favorite examples of queer television, and I liked the show from points before Willow and Tara became a couple.
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:02 pm
Well you have to t into concideration that most shows are tageted to heterosexual viewers. I mean look a Queer as Folk and The L Word both are targeted to homosexuals to my opinion so the characters are going to have a stronger relationship that something like South of Nowhere or Degrassi. Will and Grace had two main chracters who were gay, of course they were played by straight actors, so there's not much you can do than just give a little peck. Also you have to take into concideration that Homosexuality is still not as widely accepted as we would like it to be! Networks might get sued for showing what some people would call a kiss between a gay couple as a strong sexual scene. In the future that will be different! With ground breaking shows like south of nowhere, degrassi, BTVS, and many more the audience will soon get used to the idea! If they don't want to watch it then they'll just see something else! It's not like we don't have more than 500 channels! Yet only 1 of them is targeted to the LGBT community!
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:28 pm
BakaTulip Caution: Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Joss Whedon, Amber Benson, Alyson Hannigan and UPN love ahead: Networks get twitchy about gay love. While BTVS was on the WB, there were many sexual scenes with heterosexual characters. However, it wasn't until over a year after Willow and Tara were a couple that they got a brief on screen kiss. (They got a lot of on screen cute scenes together as compensation though.) When the show got picked up by UPN there was a lot more kissing and some more sexually hinted to scenes. In the last season, they showed the first lesbian sex scene on network TV. Also Red could be right, some heterosexual actors or actresses might not be comfortable with the stigma. Once again here comes my love for Alyson and Amber who played Willow and Tara... Alyson speaks very highly of how beautiful Willow and Tara's relationship was. Amber who played Tara has been in several gay friendly movies and she talkes openly about how wonderful a kisser Alyson was even though they are both straight. Yeah I know I'm a dork but this show has been my favorite examples of queer television, and I liked the show from points before Willow and Tara became a couple. Well then that's the solution, get everythign onto UPN biggrin *realistic potential solution still pending*
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 5:04 pm
It seems like on TV we still get this token black character...someday we're gonna get the token gay character... it's coming... even if it takes 40 years, but it's becoming a little more common to see gay characters on tv and in movies.
One of the housewives on DH has a gay son I think. And I remember a lesbian character in Mr. and Mrs. Smith.
I was just thinking that it's harder to get gay characters on tv when there is no romance involved... because you don't look at someone and just automatically know they are gay...unless you have gaydar... which most people on TV don't have.
*goes back to my willow/tara love**squee*
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 8:08 pm
You know, I don't think I've ever REALLY noticed that before. I mean, I've noticed..but I don't think it ever really clicked.
Now that I think about it though...you're right. Even shows that are about gays for gays (and I am going to sound like a n00b here...like Will & Grace), don't really show any affectionate scene. Jack was the most flamboyant one on there, and he never ONCE really kissed anyone, I think Karen got more action than all of them combined. Even Will didn't have any affectionate scenes, and he was the down to Earth, looking for a true love type.
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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:51 pm
-__-' Seriously. I've been watching the show and - AGAIN, the two main characters had one little short peck, and the scene immediately switched to one of the straight couples making out. *sigh* neutral
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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:36 pm
Ooh. I really don't care for South of Nowhere because I thought there was too much PDA. It's like the network people were all, "Okay! We're going to make a show about lesbians. But they can't just be normal, and they can't just do normal stuff together. They have to be crazy hot and making out all the time! Because goodness knows that's what real lesbians do." I personally feel like whenever they put lesbians on t.v. they feel that they have to make them overly-sexual and slutty. It's rather annoying.
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:34 am
A.Dream.Within.A.Dream. Ooh. I really don't care for South of Nowhere because I thought there was too much PDA. It's like the network people were all, "Okay! We're going to make a show about lesbians. But they can't just be normal, and they can't just do normal stuff together. They have to be crazy hot and making out all the time! Because goodness knows that's what real lesbians do." I personally feel like whenever they put lesbians on t.v. they feel that they have to make them overly-sexual and slutty. It's rather annoying. While I haven't been exposed much to shows targeted towards the gay community, I still noticed this bullshit occurring rampantly. Either the gay character is incredibly slutty, or incredibly flamboyant, or incredibly stuck-up, and only occasionally they act like a 'normal' person. It's like they're fake about it. And I really do get annoyed about the PDA, too. Straight couples Always get to a lot more leniency from networks with PDA than gay couples, unless it's two hot lesbians. Pisses me off.
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 7:04 pm
A.Dream.Within.A.Dream. Ooh. I really don't care for South of Nowhere because I thought there was too much PDA. It's like the network people were all, "Okay! We're going to make a show about lesbians. But they can't just be normal, and they can't just do normal stuff together. They have to be crazy hot and making out all the time! Because goodness knows that's what real lesbians do." I personally feel like whenever they put lesbians on t.v. they feel that they have to make them overly-sexual and slutty. It's rather annoying. Once again why Buffy the Vampire Slayer is FTW... Willow and Tara didn't even get to kiss on screen until a year into their relationship...so they were mostly just cuddlesome. They had cute scenes... stargazing... watching a thing on the Salem Witch Trials on the history channel, generic hanging out. They are totally like real lesbians.
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:45 am
Hmm, I say we all get together and make our OWN show! It would be nothing but gay kissing (both genders) montages, all set to the 1812 Overture. T'would be GLORIOUS! Hell, I'd even pitch in. I may be straight, but I don't have anything against it if it isn't for the purpose of emotion. Edit: Something like this, only with gay kissing montage instead fancy explosions: http://images.flyingstove.com/galleries/dotswf/LOLCRESENDO.swf
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Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:05 pm
South of Nowhere is actually the opposite. It's like two normal teenage girls living normal lives who happen to supposedly be in a relationship (god knows they don't act like it - slutty? They don't even get real on-screen kisses -__-). There are numerous sub-plots that are actually MORE focused upon than the relationship -- this one girls gets pregnant, this one guy is on drugs, degrassi drama, etc etc. -__-
YEAH, we should TOTALLY make our own show!! xd 'Twould be frickin' awesome.
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