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Samantha_Grey

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:55 pm


Charlie has been talking about some things that scare me. He has asked me what is so wrong about just being Christian, and not to leave him if he decides to leave the Church. Today, because of some major snafus with his car and bank, he talked about suicide. I called him twice crying saying he needs help, and he told me that he's fine. I don't think so, he sounded serious. He should know that I don't like those type of jokes anyway, given that my mom died a year and a half ago and that I don't want to lose anyone I love anytime soon. How do I help him see how much the things he says hurt me?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:58 am


The only way I can think of its to tell him clearly and directly. "If that's supposed to be a joke, I don't find it funny. It hurts. The idea of losing you is not something I can laugh at. Please don't."

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:49 am


I'm thinking that he's not kidding. It feels like I try to tell him how I feel about the whole church thing, but he doesn't care. I did tell him that I didn't want him to talk about suicide, he promised he won't, but I'm afraid that he's really thinking about it.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:57 am


This happened to me
a lot actually with my close friends
some don't believe but still come to church.
With the suicidal thing all you can do is bring happiness to them
Try to make something good to look upon, to live for.
Try to be happy around them and let them join in things.
MAKE THEM FEEL LOVED. that is the most important thing.
It can be hard, yesh, but you got to keep with it cuz it is gonna help them realize how important they are to people in this world.

Silent__Dreams


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:11 pm


I can't help feel sad because it's feeling like things did between Chris and I before we broke up. I'm starting to have the feeling that I don't want to do anything except sleep, because in sleep I don't have to feel.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:16 pm


Itesa
The only way I can think of its to tell him clearly and directly. "If that's supposed to be a joke, I don't find it funny. It hurts. The idea of losing you is not something I can laugh at. Please don't."

i quite agree. it's no joke to be casual about death. it's a one way road. you can't change what would happen if he did....do it.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:20 pm


I did tell him, the point of this is that I think he's actually thinking about it.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:26 pm


Samantha_Grey
I can't help feel sad because it's feeling like things did between Chris and I before we broke up. I'm starting to have the feeling that I don't want to do anything except sleep, because in sleep I don't have to feel.


You have to forget those troubles hun
you need to focus on him, but not to much to scare him
just make him know that you are always there for him and you care about him
let him know a lot of people care about him
You have to try and be happy so he can realize why the hec am I being all sad when I can just live a happy life.
Problems are only there to hit us and then just bounce off of us and we keep on going. But some people let it stick to them self and it slows them down.

Yesh it might make you sad because of your past memories but that was your past hun.
You have to realize what is happening now.
Just try to be happy and caring because that works.

Silent__Dreams


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:10 pm


Samantha_Grey
I can't help feel sad because it's feeling like things did between Chris and I before we broke up. I'm starting to have the feeling that I don't want to do anything except sleep, because in sleep I don't have to feel.

I'm not saying that you ARE depressed, but that is a symptom of depression (wanting only to sleep, for various reasons). I believe you have to exhibit two or more to actually be diagnosed, and I certainly wouldn't consider myself depressed based on the word of someone I don't know that said something on the internet, but you should certainly be careful. If you constantly feel sad and/or things that once made you happy seem to no longer be fun, try to figure things out before it gets bad.

I believe theres two kinds of depression. Emotional and Physical. Physical depression is the chemical imbalances that bring on depression, and emotional is when emotional factors weigh on your mind and bring about depression. Be careful of both. If its emotional depression, sometimes it just helps to talk to someone. Remove or reduce the amount of whatever it is that is causing that emotional distress. If its physical, well, see a psychiatrist. I'm not joking.
But PLEASE do not take my word as the absolute! I am not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist, nor are you my patient that I've observed, nor any of that. I'm just someone who knows some info that might be enlightening. If you read this and think "Wow, maybe I am feeling a bit depressed" don't consider yourself depressed yet. Remember that it may be there, and it may not. The best thing to do is to see someone.

Also, if Charlie really is even just a little suicidal, and may seem depressed to you, he should talk to someone too. Whether you and/or him are actually depressed or not, going and seeing a psychologist will be an interesting and enlightening experience. Go and learn what they have to say.
There is nothing embarrassing or shameful about seeing a professional.

About the whole "What's wrong with just being Christian?" idea...
Well, I'm shure you know this, but maybe having someone else say something would help.
Basically, what's wrong with just being Christian is that you are removing yourself from the true church and separating yourself from the blessings. I really hate to sound cocky and whatnot when I say this, but its true that the LDS Church is the ONLY Church that is true. It is the ONLY Church that you can recieve the fullness of the blessings of God in.

When someone leaves the Church they are only separating themselves from God. This isn't to say that just-plain Christianity is wrong and evil, buts its a step down from the truth. For some people, believing in Christ may be a step up. For those of us in the Church, it'll be a step down.
If Charlie wants to live a truly happy life he needs to stay with the Church, even and especially through the rough times.

While writing that I kinda felt like I was writing something kinda... I dunno how to say it... harsh? Please don't take it that way. I'm only saying what I know and trying to help.

Oh, another thought. If you aren't keeping a journal, now is as good a time as ever to start.
Sometimes it really helps just pouring out your emotions on paper, even if it is private and just to yourself.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:00 pm


The only thing you don't want to do is
suck yourself into depression.
I don't think you are right now, your just sad.
2 depressed people = bad
because you guys are just enforcing each other to be sad and hate life enforcing suicide.
If he is serious about suicide, then he needs someone, either if its you or a therapist

good luck hun
pray hard

Silent__Dreams


Ocarina654

PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:35 pm


Silent__Dreams

If he is serious about suicide, then he needs someone, either if its you or a therapist


Or both.

And please, just because I said something about depression, don't assume the worst for either of you. Just be aware of the possibility. If you fear it, it can creep up on you and get you before you realize its there. Just keep your eyes open.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:07 pm


Ocarina654
Silent__Dreams

If he is serious about suicide, then he needs someone, either if its you or a therapist


Or both.

And please, just because I said something about depression, don't assume the worst for either of you. Just be aware of the possibility. If you fear it, it can creep up on you and get you before you realize its there. Just keep your eyes open.


exactly

Silent__Dreams

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