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 Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:17 pm
Hiya everyone smile
(still on a high that I've found people who know of Torchwood!)
I have a couple of interesting bits and pieces about Jack I wanted to get opinions on - regarding how he can't die.
First of all - it's quite obvious that it was Rose-as-Tardis that bought him back to life. So that means there's a missing period where Jack somehow gets from Satellite 5, back to (at least) the 1900's.
There's been a couple of interesting clues as to what the real deal is with Jack, though.
- Toshiko; explains that it felt like Jack's mind was dead in "Greeks Bearing Gifts".
- Ianto; in "They Keep Killing Suzie", mentions that 'there's always a second glove', or similar. Jack doesn't seem to pay much attention to it.
What I'm thinking (after They Keep Killing Suzie) is that Jack's got a similar sort of 'curse' attached to him - that he's only alive because the thing that brought him back to life still exists. Where the glove was keeping Suzie alive, once it was destroyed, she died again.
Since the Tardis was what bought Jack back to life, it could be what's stopping him from dying.
Ideas?
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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:13 pm
Nah i reckon its most definetely the fact that, he made a difference on sattelite 5, if he dies then theirs a time paradox thing perhaps?
lol another theory is that hes not Human...she couldn't read the womans mind with the pendant, she could only read it when the woman wanted her to! so perhaps it is that jack is actually a non-human! also the technology he has when he meets rose and the doctor (the space ship) is not necessarily of Human design
this whole thing is confusing because of the time travel, its like erm....
did he meet the Doctor before or after Torchwood? and if it was before then how come he had the ship....wat if the hand is not the Doctors and is some kind of other relic of his mysterious past...
long post i know!
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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:53 pm
Wasn't his old ship something to do with the Time Agents? Jack originally came from far in the future, didn't he?
We know he's already met the Doctor, because he talks about needing to find "a doctor--the right kind of doctor" in order to deal with his immortality. And he's growing a Tardis on his desk.
One theory is that he fell through the Rift like all the rest of the flotsam and jetsam. The Torchwood site has records of him from the 50s, so he's been there a while.
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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:14 pm
And one of the episodes has him back as far as the 1900's, so he was around then, too (and not able to die). Plus, he has the Tardis coral on his desk...apparently that stuff takes about 500 years to grow at all.
I like your idea about him falling through the rift, Jeannie!
I'd thought he'd just been a human from waaay in the future...I'm going to have to rewatch the Empty Child I think, I can't remember what happens exactly when they first pick him up.
My boyf had the idea that Jack's immortality has something to do with the nano-bots that he originally heals Rose with...
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:52 pm
I'll probably be more helpful once I see the first season of Doctor Who.
He was in the 1940s when he joined the Doctor, wasn't he? That was when the police said he vanished: 1941. Who knows where he was before that.
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:18 pm
Yeindeed, Jack met the Ninth Doctor in The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances set during the London Blitz. Also, if I'm not mistaken Jack's originally from the 51st century.
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 5:17 pm
I've got this idea that I can't dismiss that Jack's in this sort of infinite loop...any ideas to add to this?
- Jack is in the 40's when we first meet him, gets picked up by Doc9 & Rose, travels for a bit with them.
- Jack ends up stranded (alive, thanks to Rose/Tardis) on Satellite 5 (which time was that? 200,100..?)
- Doctor9 transforms to Doctor10 - in the Children in Need special, Rose says "we'll go back and get Captain Jack, he'll know what to do," to which the Doc replies "No, he's busy rebuilding the earth". So the Doctor knew Jack had to stay behind in whatever time they were in then.
- Jack *somehow* time travels a bit more. He's present in 1907 (from the Fairy episode of Torchwood), and he ends up in 2006/7 Cardiff/Torchwood (perhaps skipping the 40s this time?).
- At the end of Torchwood, the episode guide states (episode 12, "Captain Jack Harkness":
'Transported back to the Blitz, Jack and Tosh find themselves facing a dark secret from Jack's past, one he hoped and believed had been buried for good.'
So, we know that some mode of time-travel exists...somewhere...somehow. Hence;
- Jack arrives in the Blitz, where he tracks down an ambulance that's crash landed (full of nano-bots), saves Rose, and voila - there's the loop. He takes off with the Doc9 and Rose...and off we go again...?
Has Barrowman signed on for another season of Torchwood? Has anyone heard about crossovers with the Doctor appearing in Torchwood (I've heard about the reverse - Jack coming back in Series 3 of DW...)?
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:52 am
a couple of Confirmations! ok
yes Jack is Omnisexual...john Barrowman said so himself.
and yes jack did do some more time travelling because around the Torchwood office are artifacts from the Doctor who series....see the Panoramic view of Torchwood workstations on the official website...on the Desk it has an old picture of himself...i think it might be a newspaper from the past with him inside...as for him being a captain no idea as of yet..keep ya posted...p.s. do me a favour people. read any interviews with the cast ya find...they have answered aload of my questions
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:52 pm
Wasn't 1907 from his conman days? That was my impression. He couldn't have been in the 40s twice, and if he had a mode of time travel, why is he bothering to grow a TARDIS?
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:00 pm
Didn't he get to the 1940's using his ship? If so then once it was destroyed he couldn't use it again, so maybe that's why he's growing a TARDIS.
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:22 pm
Apparently they're in the 40's in episode 11...? The Episode Guide says that Jack and Tosh get transported back to the Blitz...
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:42 am
Since I am new here, I think I might post everything that I know thus far of jack biggrin Most of it has been covered here so razz
Okay, first, Jack is apparantly growing a TARDIS. Why? We dont know.
The Hand, most likely the Doctor's regenerated chopped-off-by-the-sycorax hand.
There was something else next to the hand in the last episode, I forgot what it was neutral I will probably re-watch it tonight, since I think it airs again on friday (but it was a lame episode sad )
He has Magpie TVs in his office, most likely from going back to the store at a later time.
Uhmm, Jack is from the 51st century, part of the Time Agency.
He was revived by Rose/TARDIS, and he might be able to grow a TARDIS because he has TARDIS life force in him? Just a guess.
He cant die, durr, and this thing in the darkness is coming for him. A Friend said it might be The Beast from the Impossible Planet/Satan Pit.
Urgh, I had loads of things in my head when I signed up for the guild, but that was yesterday sad
The panoramic of Jack's office on the torchwood website shows something that looks like coral, not sure if it is biggrin
JAck is Omnisexual, screws anything with a hole if he fancies it. He has been pregnant before and loves estrogen in the rain since he doesnt want to be pregnant again.
Hey, wild thought, but y'know how the Doctor is supposed to have a son or grandchild or something, what if this was Jack?
Jack can go back to Doctor Who and torchwood might be featured in Series 3, but the Doctor will NEVER be in Torchwood sad
Oh, and John BArrowman and David TEnnant are HOT!
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The Last Lord of Time Crew
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:44 pm
Some evidence of Jack's various whenabouts (like whereabouts, only with time travel) can be found here: About Us--Captain JackCheck the pictures for some stuff, and the letter from Lahore confirms that this was the conman days.
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:43 pm
For the Doctor being a father once I think that was a reference to Susan Foreman's mother or father (I don't believe we know the gender of the Doctor's offspring) because she referred to the first doctor as "Grandfather."
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:46 am
Possible big DW Episode rumor going round : DW meets the Master (who? my friend told me) who regenerated 15 times. Maybe he'll learn how??
Has this happened? I'm confuddled.
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